Is the Hatsan Model 95 a magnum airgun?

[Lambchops]

Hey guys I'm curious to hear everyone's opinions. For the discussion we will be talking about the .22 version. I personally think a magnum is any springer that shoots a 14.3 CPHP at 850+. But I've heard others say the Hatsan 95 is a magnum. What do you think?

[Tarheel]

 I think it could "become" a Magnum with a gas ram conversion . . . I think it has a 100mm stroke.

Dave

[sawtoothscream]

kinda but I wouldnt worry about anything. the 125 sniper is a brute and its very accurate, im sur ethe 95 would be a great gun

[Lambchops]

I'm not worried at all, I think I will love her. I ordered 5 or 6 different pellets, can't remember, one of those will be her favorite.

[Mike 4888blues]

Hi Lamb
  well yours is a 177 so  you can expect high fps yours should qualify for magnum in that sense, I would say in .22 they are just under the magnum level , I used to have the.22 /mod 95 and that was getting what they said it would. 800 fps I was using 14.3  grn lead pellets actually I was getting 806 fps but who's counting lol ( kidding) 

 it would not get a gas ram for the magnums like the snipers or wfh but still in the sense  of your fps its a magnum

 the mod 95 is a great rifle, great price too,  a lot of air rifle for the money. enjoy   

[Ahab]

Hey guys I'm curious to hear everyone's opinions. For the discussion we will be talking about the .22 version. I personally think a magnum is any springer that shoots a 14.3 CPHP at 850+. But I've heard others say the Hatsan 95 is a magnum. What do you think?

Mine shoots 14.3 CPHP's at around 750 consistently. I do not consider that a magnum.

[Tarheel]

Mine shoots 14.3 CPHP's at around 750 consistently. I do not consider that a magnum.

That works out to 17.865 FPE.

Dave

[Devin]

The very first 3 shots straight out of the box with mine produced an average of 807 fps with 14.3gr CPHP.

20+fpe...Definately a "magnum" IMO

[Tarheel]

The very first 3 shots straight out of the box with mine produced an average of 807 fps with 14.3gr CPHP.

20+fpe...Definately a "magnum" IMO

Devin,

Your rifle may have been "dieseling", which will initially increase velocity but will "calm down" once the dieseling stops.

( ( 807 x 807 ) x 14.3 ) / 450240 = 20.68 FPE

Dave

[Smackey54]

I did a full tune....deburr, cylinder hone, piston polish, lube. After settling down, I am getting an average of 830fps....with H&N hollow points.

[Mike 4888blues]

I did a full tune....deburr, cylinder hone, piston polish, lube. After settling down, I am getting an average of 830fps....with H&N hollow points.

 Yes../
 when I had my mod 95, I installed the new j m seal ( had to mod  the piston button for that to fit properly )   I completed the typical tune  from a to z
 I was getting great results at first (high fps, until the excess lube was removed and the rifle settled down, then the fps went back to the original specks of 800fps, actually I got 806 fps is when  it settled down. using 14.3 grn lead pelets

and other members I been in touch with had the same experience, originally they thought there tune had  reaped way above average fps until the excess lube wore off and the rifle settled  down.lol only to email  me to tell me they were wrong the rifle is back to the original specks

 which taught me yet another lesson along the way.

 After I do a full tune  I shoot the rifle 20 X  then  I clean out the barrel again, and check breach area to remove any molly that may of build up there from  the combustion chamber.
 also I never crony a rifle until I have done that, and I have also shot 15x to warm  up the new seal.

 You learn  something now and then  and it feels priceless when you do, amazing  what  we all have learned from each others post

 

[Mike 4888blues]

I did a full tune....deburr, cylinder hone, piston polish, lube. After settling down, I am getting an average of 830fps....with H&N hollow points.

Is  that

Hey guys I'm curious to hear everyone's opinions. For the discussion we will be talking about the .22 version. I personally think a magnum is any springer that shoots a 14.3 CPHP at 850+. But I've heard others say the Hatsan 95 is a magnum. What do you think?

Mine shoots 14.3 CPHP's at around 750 consistently. I do not consider that a magnum.

 you have a mod 95 .22 shooting 750 fps?? that's 50 fps under , sounds like you can use a tune.

oh wow fedEx is here my sniper just came got to go .

[Lambchops]

Thanks for all the comments. Nice job on that tune Smackey. I personally don't consider 20 FPE in .22 a magnum. That is normal. That is what ALL .22 springers advertised at 800 should get. The only difference is Hatsan told the truth on velocities unlike Gamo, Crosman, Stoeger, etc.

But, within a year or so I will be getting a .22 version just because i'm that addicted.

[Devin]

Thanks for all the comments. Nice job on that tune Smackey. I personally don't consider 20 FPE in .22 a magnum. That is normal. That is what ALL .22 springers advertised at 800 should get. The only difference is Hatsan told the truth on velocities unlike Gamo, Crosman, Stoeger, etc.

But, within a year or so I will be getting a .22 version just because i'm that addicted.

You just contradicted yourself a bit there. It would be "normal" if the others were indeed 20FPE rifles. Their velocities are claimed by using ultra light non-lead pellets. A common lead-free pellet @ 800FPS is closer to 15FPE (25% less power than a 95). It's not that the others you mentioned are lying, their FPS ratings are just not obtained with a more standard weight pellet that the majority of airgunners use.

Rifles fitting under the "magnum" category do change as springers become more and more powerful (seems that's all that drives the market these days). My 1980 Diana 45 was considered a "magnum" at the time of release. It is somewhat of a close call to label a 20FPE a magnum these days, but I still do. Just 10 years ago if you were to say 20FPE is short of being a magnum, people would think you were crazy, LOL.

[Tom @ Buzzard Bluff]

 This is predominantly a youthful group lacking historical perspective. Let me see if I can provide it----

When the FWB-124 was released in the '70s it exceeded the license-free British 12fpe limit----out of the box! Virtually immediately the airgun boffins and scribes assigned it the designation of 'Magnum'. Which is when the term entered the airgunning vocabulary.

No good deed goes unpunished and the 124 was soon joined by competitors putting out equal power---or just a little more. Thus were the 'velocity wars' joined that persist to this day to the detriment of user friendliness and accuracy.

With each incremental increase in velocity and power the understanding of 'Magnum' changed to adapt to the new reality. Soon it took 14fpe to qualify, then 15, then 16----ad infinitum and ad nauseum.

At about that point I quit paying attention to the hype and adopted my own practical definitions. IMO a .177 that will shoot a 7.9 grain Premier across MY Chony at 900fps or above fits the designation. As does a .22 putting 14.3 Premiers across the screens at 750 or above. That level of power will humanely kill anything worthy of description as 'small game' on the N. American continent if skillfully applied. And once you push a waisted Diablo pellet into the trans-sonic zone accuracy starts dropping like a rock----so there ARE practical limits.

That's my standard and it works for me!   Tom

[Lambchops]

Well this is 2012 guys and most .22 "magnums" like tf jet and wfh put out 28 FPE. Much more than 20 FPE.

[Devin]

This is predominantly a youthful group lacking historical perspective. Let me see if I can provide it----

A nice way of saying, "Ok listen up you half-wit kiddos" LOL

My definition is about the same as yours.

Springers range from very little to very high energy output and the terms used to describe the different power levels are purely opinionated. There is no hard-fast number that designates a springer a "magnum". Somewhere between 19-20FPE in .22 just happens to be the line for ME, just as ~18FPE (14.3gr@750FPS) is the magic number for Tom. I'm right at home with a well made .177 @ 12FPE, so this magnum talk really doesn't concern me too much. I am however on "break-in" duty with a 95 so I thought I'd weigh in.

Well this is 2012 guys and most .22 "magnums" like tf jet and wfh put out 28 FPE. Much more than 20 FPE.

That's fine, as part of a community, they are all just airguns to me, but I can say it is of my opinion that 20FPE is a magnum+some in my book, and 28FPE is a magnum as well. Both have more power than I need/care to have in a springer, so it makes no difference.

[Lambchops]

This is predominantly a youthful group lacking historical perspective. Let me see if I can provide it----

A nice way of saying, "Ok listen up you half-wit kiddos" LOL

My definition is about the same as yours.

Springers range from very little to very high energy output and the terms used to describe the different power levels are purely opinionated. There is no hard-fast number that designates a springer a "magnum". Somewhere between 19-20FPE in .22 just happens to be the line for ME, just as ~18FPE (14.3gr@750FPS) is the magic number for Tom. I'm right at home with a well made .177 @ 12FPE, so this magnum talk really doesn't concern me too much. I am however on "break-in" duty with a 95 so I thought I'd weigh in.

Well this is 2012 guys and most .22 "magnums" like tf jet and wfh put out 28 FPE. Much more than 20 FPE.

That's fine, as part of a community, they are all just airguns to me, but I can say it is of my opinion that 20FPE is a magnum+some in my book, and 28FPE is a magnum as well. Both have more power than I need/care to have in a springer, so it makes no difference.