Weaver scope question

[GARY T]

Has anyone checked out the new weaver katana..the reticle looks like a MTC Mamba.Pretty cool since we can't purchase a MTC here.


Gary

[condor22]

Can you post some links for the Weaver 'Katana'?

Sam 

[GARY T]

Sorry..... I ment Kaspa . Think midway shows reticle or weaver site. Swfa s will not they are to biased unless it is a swfa or vortex

[condor22]

Looked at the Midway webpage/WeaverOptics.com Kaspa 3-12x44 30mm tube, IR, side parallax with TBX reticle. This is not spring gun rated. Doesn't give the spec on minimum Parallax-focus or total elevation/windage. Not listed on either webpage.  I like the turrets to match the reticle, mil-mil or moa-moa, not moa turrets, miss-matched to mil reticle. Couldn't find info on the TBX-tactical ballistic reticle as being mil or moa. Not being spring gun rated and not having 1/10 mil turrets is a deal buster for me. I also would need to know minimum focus and total elevation/windage available.

http://www.weaveroptics.com/optics/riflescopes/kaspa/

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/555121/weaver-kaspa-tactical-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-3-12x-44mm-side-focus-illuminated-tactical-ballistic-x-reticle-matte



It loooks good, but I wouldn't buy an optic based on web photo looks alone, I'd require reading of several reviews, both good and bad ones and my hands on turret and look through, if at all possible. Couldn't find independent reviews, I don't trust vender web page reviews?

Weaver scopes have a good reputation and a good warranty, so this scope should be a good choice for a non-springer type air gun.

Sam 

 

[GARY T]

Agreed. I have looked everywhere for min focus lnformation and could find none. I liked the looks of the reticule since it reminded me of the British MTC airgun friendly scope. Just hoping g

[Bwalton]

Looked at the Midway webpage/WeaverOptics.com Kaspa 3-12x44 30mm tube, IR, side parallax with TBX reticle. This is not spring gun rated. Doesn't give the spec on minimum Parallax-focus or total elevation/windage. Not listed on either webpage.  I like the turrets to match the reticle, mil-mil or moa-moa, not moa turrets, miss-matched to mil reticle. Couldn't find info on the TBX-tactical ballistic reticle as being mil or moa. Not being spring gun rated and not having 1/10 mil turrets is a deal buster for me. I also would need to know minimum focus and total elevation/windage available.

http://www.weaveroptics.com/optics/riflescopes/kaspa/

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/555121/weaver-kaspa-tactical-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-3-12x-44mm-side-focus-illuminated-tactical-ballistic-x-reticle-matte



It loooks good, but I wouldn't buy an optic based on web photo looks alone, I'd require reading of several reviews, both good and bad ones and my hands on turret and look through, if at all possible. Couldn't find independent reviews, I don't trust vender web page reviews?

Weaver scopes have a good reputation and a good warranty, so this scope should be a good choice for a non-springer type air gun.

Sam 

 

Just wondering, I purchased this same scope, and works just great on the Octane, where does it say that its not spring gun friendly? I could not find that part. Thanks

[condor22]

  Where does it say "Spring gun rated", show me?  Could not find anywhere stated on weaver's Kaspa web page, could have been overlooked. My reasoning if it's not stated, YOU can take a chance,  typically the scope is not spring gun rated. http://www.weaveroptics.com/optics/riflescopes/kaspa/ 

  For example, the Weaver "Classic Rimfire Riflescope" web page states boldly! Quote  The Classic Rimfire is designed to withstand the multi-directional recoil from the heaviest spring-loaded adult airguns.   http://www.weaveroptics.com/optics/riflescopes/classic_rimfire/

 I really don't know, just posting what I could find on Weaver's Kaspa web page, but I will phone Weaver's customer service monday for sure? 

[condor22]

 Just got off the phone with 'Weaver customer service Rep' . His answer to my question " Are the Kaspa line of Weaver rifle scopes Spring gun rated?"."'NO'"," The only spring gun rated scopes we sell are the 'Classic Rimfire line'."


 So....don't be surprised if the reticle turns sideways or disappears, or you start chasing the POI with your POA.  Good luck, I hope your scope holds out, recommend you replace it with a spring gun rated scope. 

 

[Bwalton]

Just got off the phone with 'Weaver customer service Rep' . His answer to my question " Are the Kaspa line of Weaver rifle scopes Spring gun rated?"."'NO'"," The only spring gun rated scopes we sell are the 'Classic Rimfire line'."


 So....don't be surprised if the reticle turns sideways or disappears, or you start chasing the POI with your POA.  Good luck, I hope your scope holds out, recommend you replace it with a spring gun rated scope. 

 

Well its a good thing that I moved on to PCP

[Bwalton]

Just got off the phone with 'Weaver customer service Rep' . His answer to my question " Are the Kaspa line of Weaver rifle scopes Spring gun rated?"."'NO'"," The only spring gun rated scopes we sell are the 'Classic Rimfire line'."


 So....don't be surprised if the reticle turns sideways or disappears, or you start chasing the POI with your POA.  Good luck, I hope your scope holds out, recommend you replace it with a spring gun rated scope. 

 

 I decided to call for myself and talk with the higher ups...
Quote: Just because it does not state that it is spring gun rated does not mean that it will not handle a spring gun. Simply means that it was not tested for that specific duty. Who would think that someone would put a $300 and up scope on a airgun? So we can not legally say that it will when it was not tested in that capacity... for example  the Classic K-Series can no doubt handle a spring gun but is not stated so we can not say that it can....the weaver classic rimfire are priced for an airgun and tested for that purpose we are not going to spend a lot of time testing something that there is not a high market for... So you have to do your own test and come to your own conclusions....

with that being said... it makes sense,  In the Leapers UTG description its says nothing about be spring gun friendly? But yet we all know thats not the case. I found the weaver to be also good as well, until you buy one and use one thats the only way you will know... And I have done such.....
Detail Information: Leapers UTG 3-12X44
      
•    30mm Tube with Best in Class Multi Emerald Coated Lenses to Achieve Maximum Light Transmission for Best Clarity
•    Built on True Strength Platform, Completely Sealed and Nitrogen Filled, Shockproof, Fogproof and Rainproof
•    Innovative EZ-TAP® Illumination Enhancing (IE) System with RGB in Dual-Color Mode and 36 Colors in Multi-Color Mode to Accommodate All Weather/Light Conditions (U.S. Pat. 8,437,079; EU Patent Pending)
•    1-Click High-tech Illumination Memory Feature Gets You Right Back to the Color/Brightness Setting Last Used
•    Most Innovative, Low Profile Illumination Control with 2 Soft and Ergonomic Control Buttons Designed for Most Natural, Smooth and Quick-reaching Hand/Finger Operations
•    Special Circuit and Housing Design for Uninterrupted Illumination Even Under Heavy Recoil
•    Premium Zero Locking and Zero Resetting Target Turrets with Most Consistent and Precise 1/4 MOA per Click Windage/Elevation Adjustment
•    Side Wheel Adjustable Turret (SWAT) for Parallax Adjustment - from 10 Yards to Infinity; Side Wheel Ready for Optional Big Wheel to Achieve Finer Parallax Adjustment
•    TactEdge® Angled Integral Sunshade Complete with Flip-open Lens Caps and High Quality Max Strength Quick Detach Picatinny/Weaver Rings

[condor22]

 Makes total nonsense to me!    Better call back and ask if their warranty covers spring gun damage, bet it don't. They'll know by looking at the scope if spring gun damage has occur-ed.  I'm not Genny pigging my money on untested rifle scopes, I know they have/will fail, already been proven numerous times. Like I said before "Hope yours holds up, very good chance it won't." 

 

 Just talked to the Weaver customer rep, again. He stated. That spring gun damage to any non spring gun rated Weaver rifle scope VOIDED the warranty and would not be covered by warranty and they can tell it was spring gun damaged! 

[Bwalton]

Makes total nonsense to me!    Better call back and ask if their warranty covers spring gun damage, bet it don't. They'll know by looking at the scope if spring gun damage has occur-ed.  I'm not Genny pigging my money on untested rifle scopes, I know they have/will fail, already been proven numerous times. Like I said before "Hope yours holds up, very good chance it won't." 

 

 Just talked to the Weaver customer rep, again. He stated. That spring gun damage to any non spring gun rated Weaver rifle scope VOIDED the warranty and would not be covered by warranty and they can tell it was spring gun damaged! 

You know what I am not on here to argue, the scope works very well for me, I love it, and do not have one problem with it.. so lets leave it at that. Works way better then my previous scopes, and the optics are on par with Leupold, and many others scopes that are higher in price... being an Optical engineer I could say that I know a thing or two about Optical quality. I have here a  Leupold, and a Schmidt & Bender, along with others... which exceed the $2000 mark in which to compare. So you can close this topic if you like.

[condor22]

Nobody arguing here. Just posting the facts I know and Weaver is verifiying 'em. Just trying to prevent noobs from damaging Perfectly good scopes on spring guns when they aren't spring gun rated.

 Are you saying the Weaver Kaspa is on par with a 2k$ Schmidt & Bender?   

[Bwalton]

Nobody arguing here. Just posting the facts I know and Weaver is verifiying 'em. Just trying to prevent noobs from damaging Perfectly good scopes on spring guns when they aren't spring gun rated.

 Are you saying the Weaver Kaspa is on par with a 2k$ Schmidt & Bender?   

Where did you read that? I said Leupold which I have both in my possession as I type, again wrong facts. I do understand your stand point, but at the same time, I have one, I have tested one, and these are my findings using a Umarex Octane.

[condor22]

 I have here a  Leupold, and a Schmidt & Bender, along with others... which exceed the $2000 mark in which to compare.


 Which facts do I have wrong?

[Bwalton]

I have here a  Leupold, and a Schmidt & Bender, along with others... which exceed the $2000 mark in which to compare.


 Which facts do I have wrong?

Maybe its the part where I SAID that it is on par with Leupold and mentions nothing with BEING on par with  Schmidt & Bender
In Fact I also stated that clearly in a review that I did On the Kaspa. Have a nice day, no more responses from me along this subject....