Fustrated with Crosman Nitro Venom

[neilstuckey]

i would just install either zinc or brass barrel bushing washers "5/16" and remove the plastic junk.  replace the seal on the piston.  experiment with tightening and loosening the stock screws.  remove the barrel bolt and replace one with an allen wrench head " allows for better tightening.  if the gun still tends to shoot low i would shim the rear scope ring with some aluminum can strip folded over.  if the shimming helps i would buy a droop compensating 11mm scope mount and remove the aluminum shims.  From what i find is crosman has barrel droop and barrel crown problems. if none of this helps i would demand a refund and get a rws 34 or weihrauch 30 or benjamin discovery.    they will most likely be problem free and all are tried and proven performers.  i will only buy crosman fixed barrels i think most of us have been bitten by crosman break barrel qulaity problems.  the nitro piston guns have so much potential but just are not produced with the quality like rws or weihrauch. 

[Petey]

i would just install either zinc or brass barrel bushing washers "5/16" and remove the plastic junk.  replace the seal on the piston.  experiment with tightening and loosening the stock screws.  remove the barrel bolt and replace one with an allen wrench head " allows for better tightening.  if the gun still tends to shoot low i would shim the rear scope ring with some aluminum can strip folded over.  if the shimming helps i would buy a droop compensating 11mm scope mount and remove the aluminum shims.  From what i find is crosman has barrel droop and barrel crown problems. if none of this helps i would demand a refund and get a rws 34 or weihrauch 30 or benjamin discovery.    they will most likely be problem free and all are tried and proven performers.  i will only buy crosman fixed barrels i think most of us have been bitten by crosman break barrel qulaity problems.  the nitro piston guns have so much potential but just are not produced with the quality like rws or weihrauch. 

You don't get it.............You do not waste your time and money on a product that does not perform.  True modifications enhance the performance of an already solid foundation.
 Potential is a word that means nothing....your only allowing yourself the opportunity to waste more time and money. Or....you can not make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear!..... 
Pulled that one out of the back of the closet.lol

Eat to much ......there is a saying we used in racing..It goes, Sometimes you have to slow down to go fast.  Ya make fewer mistakes , frees up mental bandwidth.....you get it.

Take a step back....get your money from Crosman. A shooter from Mike is one option.
 But sit and think about what you really want to use an AG for.  Shooting paper...you don't need a magnum. a pcp this early in the game...not needed.  Seriously /....more horsepower is not always better.

Here look... Am77 with a scope...did some free mods...shoots pretty nice at 10m...opens up bit 20.  You can pest, and plink... I used to take small rabbit with my 766.
The point I'm trying to make is , sometimes we want more than we need.And that will almost always lead to disappointment . Pick the right tool for the job.  Sit down and be honest with yourself....what is it I need an AG for?  Then ask around a select the right tool for the job. I guarantee you will be much happier with end result.
And yes pumpers are Cool!

[eat2muchrice]

Yes, you guys are right. I’m done with break barrels, if anything I’ll start saving up for a PCP. I could just take the check from Crosman and invest that towards a starter kit, but that is not my style as I “try” to be an honest person.

Have I ever mention how awesome of a support group you guys are? Well you all ARE! Haha, BTW Hello my name is Eat2muchrice and I have a problem.

[Petey]

It's ok ....we're all here for the same reason.   

[mtbdrew]

Yes, you guys are right. I’m done with break barrels, if anything I’ll start saving up for a PCP. I could just take the check from Crosman and invest that towards a starter kit, but that is not my style as I “try” to be an honest person.

Have I ever mention how awesome of a support group you guys are? Well you all ARE! Haha, BTW Hello my name is Eat2muchrice and I have a problem.

Spent days, weeks, and, months trying to find a gas powered break barrel that would shoot accurately enough to humanely take down Starlings. Went through all the tunes/tweaks and drove my wife crazy swapping guns out from Academy and Walmart. Started with the $240 NP Trail but couldn't see paying that much for something I had to work on to get it to shoot right. Then went to the $140 Wally specials thinking I didn't mind working on something that was cheaper. Finally realized my time was more valuable and no amount of tweaking was going to make these guns work the way they should have out of the box. Jumped to the Ben Disco and have not regretted it one bit. The gun itself is about the same price as the NP trail was but you do have to get the pump or tanks. However Wally does the $329 kit with gun and pump in .22 or $369 for .177 kit (haven't figured that out yet).

Andrew

[SAADE]

It's ok ....we're all here for the same reason.   

Ya, we are a "support group" alright, supporting the habit!

[eat2muchrice]

Hmmmm. $329 for Benjamin Discovery .22 with pump. That does seem to be a really good price.

[Petey]

Hmmmm. $329 for Benjamin Discovery .22 with pump. That does seem to be a really good price.

it is...someone messed up ...i'm even thinking bout it.

[eat2muchrice]

I’ve been researching more about the Disco and have come across a few threads of people having POI issues with them. At $329 it’s the only PCP I can currently afford and is still way over my budget, my fear is that even though many have recommended it to me will it just be another headache?

[Petey]

Get a Pumper for now.

[SAADE]

I’ve been researching more about the Disco and have come across a few threads of people having POI issues with them. At $329 it’s the only PCP I can currently afford and is still way over my budget, my fear is that even though many have recommended it to me will it just be another headache?

"Rice" yes, what Pete said. If noise is not an issue, then a Benjamin 397 or 392 is a steal at about $158 + tax at WW on line. Pump 4 times for around home target shootin and 8 times to whack pests.

[eat2muchrice]

Noise is an issue, I’ve already have had the cops out over 3 times cause of my airsoft guns. Annoying neighbors who call the cops that do not know the local laws and try to impose self justice. I keep printed local laws around to educate my local police force. Just to give you an idea of the type of neighbors I have, they have filled complaints to the city because my grass in my "backyard" is too long. Most recently called to cops over because of dog dropping in their front and blame my dog for it. Funny cause when I call the cops for help, like a broken car window they state to me “I’m wasting their time and they have better things to deal with”.
Sorry strayed way off topic.

[SAADE]

Whoa, just saw your "Marin County" sig info, that says it all!

Maybe you can have Pelosi over for some target "setting" sessions?

[eat2muchrice]

Whoa, just saw your "Marin County" sig info, that says it all!

Maybe you can have Pelosi over for some target "setting" sessions?

Haha, it must be that bad that even you heard of Marin Counties reputation all the way out in Idaho. It’s common for me to deal with this stuff, born in Colorado I’ve also lived in Butt Montana and just last week at Costco someone threw their tobacco “spit cup” on my windshield while it was parked in the lot. Of course cops didn’t care, but oh well I grew up with this kind of stuff and have become stronger cause of it.

Whoops forgot the e in "Butte" Montana.

[eat2muchrice]

Another late night up reading and shopping around for PCP. I'm currently tossed between a Discovery or saving up a few months for a Marauder.

Discovery is 1/2 the price, iron sights and much lighter.

Marauder is quieter, more power, 10 round mag, less bad review, more accurate, better trigger and looks better.

What is wrong with me, I'm still looking at another Crosman?? However I do like the "Made in USA" of both these rifles.

Hehe, I just noticed my title under my name is Barrel Cocker.

[neilstuckey]

crosman disco's and m-rod's are great quality guns and im sure you wont be disapointed in either.  my vote goes to disco lots of aftermarket products and is based on a time tested 2260.  lots of parts, tuning and info out there.  i would just get a disco and the money difference could get you a good leapers scope if you like scopes.  just my thoughts.  theres a guy on here somewhere who had a sweet pcp disco clone in .25 shooting around 750-800 fps. and an awesome cammo paint job on the stock and tube.  that will be my next gun close to what he has except for the cammo. 

[eat2muchrice]

Yah, Due to the price I'm leaning more towards the Disco. However they seem to be very load compared to the Marauder and nitro pistons. One plan is to quit smoking and use the money I saved for a Marauder. 

[mtbdrew]

The Disco can have a good pop to it which a lot of people tame with TKO muzzle break. However, if the locals freak due to the airsoft guns, the sight of a Disco/Scope and muzzle break could send them over the edge. The Maruader might be your best bet?
As for shooting, either one will be a vast improvement over the Nitro. Having been one affected by the POI issue of the Disco, I still wouldn't hesitate to buy another as the fix is typically tightening the little breach screw and keeping the barrel clean. I've used mine to take Starlings as far out as 80 yards though typically its the 36 to 50 yard range.

[gene_sc]

There is nothing wrong with the Crosman break barrel rifles.  New air gunners buy them and think they will shoot bulls eyes out of the box.. Some will and some won't. Depending on the guy behind the trigger. Many new air gunners don't have a clue on how to shoot a break barrel springer or gas ram. Some will never be able to shoot them.. These guns are high production Chinese made guns. What do u expect?   I am amazed that anyone posting in this thread would even dare mention a high end Euro gun in the same post as a Crosman gun. Ridiculous!
Guys you get what you pay for and if you don't know how to shoot a springer or gas ram break barrel then buy yourself a PCP. Takes no talent to shoot them straight...
I want to add that Crosman over the last ten years has done more for the air gun community than any  other manufacturer around. Innovation is the word I come up wiff. So I suggest you return your Crosman break barrels and buy yourself a PCP. Don't be bad mouthing Crosman on the GTA.
Wish I had caught this thread from the start.

Gene

[mtbdrew]

Hold the phone or keyboard Gene. Don't make the mistake of assuming someone is new to pellet guns just because they are new to this forum. Personally been shooting pellet guns for well over thirty years and have owned a Gamo Hunter 220 for almost twenty years and it groups very nicely at 30 yards and can even take soda cans out to 60 very easily.
As for cheap, wouldn't call $250 for the Benj Tail cheap. Don't expect to have to spend time and effort to get a $250 pellet gun to group better than a softball at 20 yards. I went through six different Trails before dropping down to the $100 cheaper Walmart special GPs. Three of the Benjamin Trails would not even break open without taking them apart. All of them suffered from the plastic washers wearing out before the Gas Ram was broken in correctly. For $250 I expect washers that last long enough to break the gun in. The other three guns all suffered from barrel sag requiring shimes  just to get the scopes to center. One had a burr on the breach 1/4" thick and 1/4" high stopping the barrel from seating flush. On all three you could literally see the barrel was angled down. BTW, this was common on the Walmart model GPs too. None of these would every group within the size of a softball at 20 yards once they were broken in. New I could get them to shoot quarter size but the more you shoot them the less accurate the became. All total I went through at least 12 Crosman break barrels before jumping to the Disco.
Yes Crosman has done a lot for air gunning and their Disco/pump deal shows what is possible even at cheap prices. However that is no excuse for poor quality control. Most of the issues I saw fall under the QC umbrella. A good QC would easily have found most if not all the issues I saw with these guns.
Yes it takes a different skill set to accurately shoot a springer/piston air rifle but that doesn't mean the gun has to make this learning curve even more difficult due to quality issues. And as someone else stated, it's no good blaming the country of manufacture for these issues. It's Crosman's name on the gun and therefore their responsibility to make sure their spec's are being followed correctly. As well as listening to users feedback. There are hundreds of posts all over the net regarding the plastic breech washer's being a major issue to accuracy on break barrel guns (all manufacture's).
Besides who do you think is buying Crosman guns from Walmart and what do you think it does to Crosman's name when people run into these issues?
And if not on this forum, where else are people supposed to express their experiences with airguns. If I can save someone else the frustration then what's wrong with that? Didn't realize this forum was one where you were not allowed to state your experiences if it is disagreeable to a particular manufacture.