Haha Supertech. the secret to them seems to be bread; i tried dried cat food,nope,bird seed,and sun flower seeds,nope,pop corn,nope;so as a last resort,went to the wal-mart bought 4 loaf,s of white bread.and for each day now for 4 days,i would put out 1/2 a loaf in the yard,and last night i put out 8 sheets of bread,open the door 8inches in my florida/computer room,and just waited,with the 850 locked and loaded,and went threw 3 8 shot magazines,and now the count today only is 17 just got another 20 minutes ago,that 850 with the tko is so quite,that when i shoot one the others most the time won't fly off,so i just follow liz's order's and whack um.i'll lay out some more bread tonight and let them devour it tomorrow and since i'm off this weekend set up for some more sat/sun.Dang- 16 starlings in one day? I haven't seen 16 starlings in one month, and haven't seen any at all for weeks now.