Author Topic: Hatsan Mod 125 TH (UPDATED) (Read 29469 times))

Charles Outdoors · « **Reply #40 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:11:52 AM »

I guess yall know why I torn the 2nd one down without ever firing a shot. Why would a company go through the trouble of building a gun as nice looking and powerful as the 125 Sniper then allow the employee's to trash them by something as simple as not cleaning out all the metal shavings.
Can't figure out if the burr found in the bottom end of some compression chambers around the outer edge is a piece of metal wedged down the side or slag from where the end cap was welding onto the chamber.
Hopefully Somehow this will get back to the Hatsan factory and be resolved.

They don't oil or grease the compression chamber and spring on purpose. Everyone has different ideals of lubing. I've had 4 hatsan's and they all Honked untill the seal broke in, except the last one, which I lightly lubed.

The end plug is very tight in the tube. Even after completely de-burring it will be a pressed in fit and you have to release the tenison on the spring compressor a little at a time and assisting the end cap to slip. You could sand it down, but I prefer to leave it a tight fit. The material it's made of seems plenty strong and it should dampen noise and vibration. I OK with that design.

i hope yours come out OK. The Hatsan seals are very tight in the tube and made of allot harder material than say an RWS seal. How are the JM seals compared to the Hatsan?

Paul68 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 19, 2012, 12:13:47 AM »

The receiver is toast. After heavy honing, the pitting in the compression area is no smoother and still deep enough to hook a pick on. I'll be sending a letter to Hatsan detailing what I've found since this is obviously a manufacturing issue, but of course, since I voided the warranty I don't expect anything.

Live and learn.

Mike 4888blues · « **Reply #42 on:** April 19, 2012, 04:53:53 AM »

Quote from: Paul68 on April 19, 2012, 12:13:47 AM

The receiver is toast. After heavy honing, the pitting in the compression area is no smoother and still deep enough to hook a pick on. I'll be sending a letter to Hatsan detailing what I've found since this is obviously a manufacturing issue, but of course, since I voided the warranty I don't expect anything.

Live and learn.

Paul since you went that far, lube it like you normally would with your tune, put it back together and see what you get/ let us know. after you shot 20 shots then start to crony and see how she feels etc etc and let us know what you come up with, hopefully the piston seal will fit properly

Paul68 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 19, 2012, 09:11:51 AM »

The receiver is damaged Mike. I am not going to reassemble a receiver that will not seal properly, just so I can destroy a new JM seal and see what happens.

*Edit*

Sorry for the harsh reply. I'm just a bit annoyed. I've e-mailed Hatsan USA and outlined what I found and included pics. I'll wait to see what they say, then I'll maybe take it to the machine shop out here and have it properly honed. Of course, I may have to button the piston and get a larger seal.

Mike 4888blues · « **Reply #44 on:** April 19, 2012, 01:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Paul68 on April 19, 2012, 09:11:51 AM

The receiver is damaged Mike. I am not going to reassemble a receiver that will not seal properly, just so I can destroy a new JM seal and see what happens.

*Edit*

Sorry for the harsh reply. I'm just a bit annoyed. I've e-mailed Hatsan USA and outlined what I found and included pics. I'll wait to see what they say, then I'll maybe take it to the machine shop out here and have it properly honed. Of course, I may have to button the piston and get a larger seal.

you basically will have a larger chamber with more volume after the shop you find, hones it down, magnum116 was going to do that to on of his rifle on purpose.

seals are pretty darn tough, with the smoothed over scratch you attempted to hone down , I don't know since molly would fill that area if it would hurt anything,
but never the less, getting that professionally honed will take care of it.

This is why I tear rifles down after I receive them I will shoot it 1x just to make sure it functions.
I think you mentioned you usually do that too.

you will be just fine once the receiver is honed from your local machine shop.

Paul68 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 19, 2012, 01:45:54 PM »

The problem is that there is a deformed area on the seal that matches the location of the pitting in the tube. That tells me pressure was escaping and causing uneven seal lip loading, which would eventually destroy the seal, not to mention cause erratic pressures.

The real problem though is that with an oversized bore, it will not be easy to find a seal to fit unless I turn one myself, which I am not equipped to do properly. JM doesn't seem to be doing any custom work anymore.

If I'm lucky, Hatsan will step up and take care of this when and IF they reply to my e-mails. I've also notified JOAO, though I doubt there is much he could do about it, and I don't want him to eat the cost for something Hatsan wont take back.

If not, it'll get put on the back burner while I take care of other projects and get the custom sized seal issue dealt with.

Mike 4888blues · « **Reply #46 on:** April 19, 2012, 02:31:52 PM »

Quote from: Paul68 on April 19, 2012, 01:45:54 PM

The problem is that there is a deformed area on the seal that matches the location of the pitting in the tube. That tells me pressure was escaping and causing uneven seal lip loading, which would eventually destroy the seal, not to mention cause erratic pressures.

The real problem though is that with an oversized bore, it will not be easy to find a seal to fit unless I turn one myself, which I am not equipped to do properly. JM doesn't seem to be doing any custom work anymore.

If I'm lucky, Hatsan will step up and take care of this when and IF they reply to my e-mails. I've also notified JOAO, though I doubt there is much he could do about it, and I don't want him to eat the cost for something Hatsan wont take back.

If not, it'll get put on the back burner while I take care of other projects and get the custom sized seal issue dealt with.

who's the member Johny Z maybe? that makes seals for like 15 shipped? contact him he will be able to get you what you need/ if its not him I bet he knows who it is that makes them.
I buy the rifle from you if you decide you don't want it

Paul68 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:31:00 AM »

Cranked up the tension on the hone to the max, and honed until I almost wore the stones out. Even then, still noticeable pitting, but at least my pick slid over it instead of catching on it. I have no doubt the cylinder is all kinds of out of round

Burnished it with moly and called it good enough.

Went ahead and finished the cleanup. Chucked the original cheesy little plastic washer in the piston into the trash and made a tophat from steel round. Cleaned up and polished the piston's machined edges, installed the JM seal. Squared and polished the spring ends. Cleaned up the spring guide and washers, gave everything a touch of moly. Did all the usual smoothing polishing and lubing.

The barrel pivot has two paper thin steel washers. Both were badly deformed and deeply gouged, which explains the flopping barrel. Smoothed em up and moly'd em till I can get replacements.

It cocks and shoots much more smoothly now. A great deal less twang, but still twangy. Still violent recoil, but with a giant piston and spring, that's expected. Only put about 10 shots through it, but it still seems anemic. At ten yards it put a deep dent in a folding steel chair no worse than my Beeman. Oh well. I'll have a chrony soon so I can really see what's going on with it, but it seems this one is destined for the dud heap.

Not a peep from Hatsan or JOAO in reply to my e-mails, so I guess that's that.

huklbery · « **Reply #48 on:** April 20, 2012, 10:10:15 AM »

I wrote both Hatsan USA & Turkey, the Turks simply forwarded my issue back to the USA support. This absurd no parts policy makes it hard to swallow. ^&$@_=s has made it the business model of supplying spare parts for container imported airguns from China. Crosman of course, if they have it you can get it. I can get anything but the serialized frame for my Ruger 10/22. You can assemble an AR or a 1911 again from parts, or a Harley without any factory parts whatsoever. Hatsan, it just isn't serious or solid and the impact not worthy IMHO. Unless they intend to do in house "tuning" they need to get an authorized after market service center not connected to their liability clause.

Mark

Paul68 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:12:32 AM »

"Hatsan, it just isn't serious or solid and the impact not worthy IMHO"

I have to agree with you. I've been reading a lot of stuff from 2008 to present regarding Hatsan, and it seems its the same thing all over again with Hatsan's US debut as it's been with the rest of the world for years now. They seem to be Crosman, but without any customer or product support.

Paul68 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 20, 2012, 11:23:35 AM »

"It's been two days since I contacted Hatsan both here and through e-mail. In neither case have I received so much as a form letter thanking me for my contact, much less anyone paying attention to what I wished to speak about.

I am disappointed in first, the very poor quality of the Mod 125 I purchased which is basically a complete waste of my money, and now, the lack of any interest by the company to address issues or at the very least acknowledge a customers concerns.

To date, Hatsans' US debut is not impressive.

Paul Novak
pnovak2@************"

Sent the above to Hatsan USA.

I won't be dealing with anything Hatsan again until parts are readily available, and even then it will be under the understanding that I'll be basically rebuilding their products just as I would a Shanghai rifle.

**Edit**

I sincerely hope I spoke too soon and that I will have to eat my words. Nothing would make me happier.
Hatsan commented on a photo of the piston seal I left on their Facebook wall

"Hatsan Arms Company Hi Paul, We are sorry about the problem you had. HatsanUSA will be contacting you soon and we will for sure have the issue fixed. Thanks"

huklbery · « **Reply #51 on:** April 20, 2012, 01:56:30 PM »

Quote from: Paul68 on April 20, 2012, 11:23:35 AM

"Hatsan Arms Company Hi Paul, We are sorry about the problem you had. HatsanUSA will be contacting you soon and we will for sure have the issue fixed. Thanks"

Humm is the post still there? Perhaps I'm not looking at the "wall"

Mark

Paul68 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:55:53 PM »

All I ask is we give em a chance to handle it before we add any negative comments.

*edit**

Link apparently won't work. It should be to the right of their main page when you visit the Hatsan Facebook page. It'll be next to the picture of the guy with the giant pumpkin;)

huklbery · « **Reply #53 on:** April 20, 2012, 04:32:29 PM »

I'm still hopeful that Hatsan irons out these start up issues. The rush to fill the shipping containers and the resulting QC problems to meet the introduction and nonsensical parts position can be solved over time. What isn't so great is the guy with the bad compression tube, the cracked stock or required to spend the extra money to ship a rifle sold as affordable. I'm going to wait before buying another spring gun from them.

Mark

Paul68 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 20, 2012, 07:12:50 PM »

Hatsan has contacted me and wants the rifle so they can inspect it and if they find a problem with assembly want to be able to address it. I'll be shipping it to them tomorrow, and hopefull all goes well.

microsalmo · « **Reply #55 on:** April 20, 2012, 08:07:13 PM »

Keep us posted Paul. How many days was it before they finally responded to your email?

Paul68 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 20, 2012, 08:52:27 PM »

Counting today almost 3. They're being generous but cautious. I have to pull my tophat out and reinstall the original seal, then I'll ship it to them.

Mike 4888blues · « **Reply #57 on:** April 20, 2012, 09:29:39 PM »

Quote from: Paul68 on April 20, 2012, 08:52:27 PM

Counting today almost 3. They're being generous but cautious. I have to pull my tophat out and reinstall the original seal, then I'll ship it to them.

Good luck I hope they come thru for you.

Charles Outdoors · « **Reply #58 on:** April 21, 2012, 02:21:59 AM »

Quote from: Paul68 on April 20, 2012, 07:12:50 PM

Hatsan has contacted me and wants the rifle so they can inspect it and if they find a problem with assembly want to be able to address it. I'll be shipping it to them tomorrow, and hopefull all goes well.

LOL, the big piece of steel imbedded in the piston wasn't enough proof there was an assembly problem.

Paul68 · « **Reply #59 on:** April 21, 2012, 10:17:47 AM »

Quote from: Craymar on April 21, 2012, 02:21:59 AM

Quote from: Paul68 on April 20, 2012, 07:12:50 PM
Hatsan has contacted me and wants the rifle so they can inspect it and if they find a problem with assembly want to be able to address it. I'll be shipping it to them tomorrow, and hopefull all goes well.

LOL, the big piece of steel imbedded in the piston wasn't enough proof there was an assembly problem.

Yeah, I'm still more than a little annoyed when I receieve....

"It appears that your observation may quite well be correct and that an
error may have been made in the assembly process."

But, it's a business, and caution is the name of the game. They ARE being generous, so we'll see how it goes.

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Hatsan Mod 125 TH (**UPDATED**)

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Hatsan Mod 125 TH (UPDATED)

Author Topic: Hatsan Mod 125 TH (UPDATED) (Read 29469 times))