Time for this thread to go away.

[Bryan Heimann]

After reading this, the Hatsan Mod. 95 is not in my future. Since yours truly does a breakdown and tune, the no parts available is a deal breaker for me. I tend to look at a warranty as shredder fodder just from my experience with a lot of Companies.IMHO..Peashooterjoe

Same here.  Every time I buy a new air rifle, I also buy whatever aftermarket parts I can get (usually just a spring and seal, or sometimes just a seal, from Maccari) and do the de-bur/lube tune after I've shot it enough to decide that there are no major factory defects.  I will not purchase anything that I can't find parts for, whether from the factory or from somewhere like Air Rifle Headquarters.  The way things are going, I may just stop buying from anyone but Crosman and their affiliates just because they cater to us.  But, maybe Hatsan will come around.

[Paul68]

This is interesting stuff, and I'm glad it came to light when it did. I have yet to get over the power addiction, and am looking at getting the strongest springer possible. I was pretty much set on a Beeman Mach 12.5, but the WTM's AKA Hatsan's were giving me second thoughts.

[Mike 4888blues]

This is interesting stuff, and I'm glad it came to light when it did. I have yet to get over the power addiction, and am looking at getting the strongest springer possible. I was pretty much set on a Beeman Mach 12.5, but the WTM's AKA Hatsan's were giving me second thoughts.

I get 806 fps  on my mod 95/ .22 using 14.3 lead pellets after a tune  and my j m seal i installed. the beemans chinese series barely make it to 800fps. speaking of  that mack 12.5
 that proab;y wil get to 800 fps but thats standard  for most hatsans
I think the .22 wfh  get around 900 fps second  dont they?

[Magman116]

Even if you couldn't get factory replacement parts for your Hatsan rifles, you can get aftermarket springs, nitro pistons, and JM seals.  Sure you would have to do some work, but you would still have a quality rifle in the end with many years of operation.  how ofter do the trigger components wear out, or any thing else mad of high quality steel?  It will be your spring, piston seal, and breech seal.  All of those can be had aftermarket and give equal or better performance.

Where else are you going to find beautiful Turkish walnut stocks, or German steel barrels, or anything with the Hatsan build quality at these low prices?  Even if you had to put some aftermarket parts in them, they would still be worth every penny.  Just my opinion.

[Paul68]

This is interesting stuff, and I'm glad it came to light when it did. I have yet to get over the power addiction, and am looking at getting the strongest springer possible. I was pretty much set on a Beeman Mach 12.5, but the WTM's AKA Hatsan's were giving me second thoughts.

I get 806 fps  on my mod 95/ .22 using 14.3 lead pellets after a tune  and my j m seal i installed. the beemans chinese series barely make it to 800fps. speaking of  that mack 12.5
 that proab;y wil get to 800 fps but thats standard  for most hatsans

The Mach 12.5 is the TF Jet aka an AR 2000, just in a different stock. It'll do low to mid 900's with heavy pellets.

[Mike 4888blues]

This is interesting stuff, and I'm glad it came to light when it did. I have yet to get over the power addiction, and am looking at getting the strongest springer possible. I was pretty much set on a Beeman Mach 12.5, but the WTM's AKA Hatsan's were giving me second thoughts.

I get 806 fps  on my mod 95/ .22 using 14.3 lead pellets after a tune  and my j m seal i installed. the beemans chinese series barely make it to 800fps. speaking of  that mack 12.5
 that proab;y wil get to 800 fps but thats standard  for most hatsans

The Mach 12.5 is the TF Jet aka an AR 2000, just in a different stock. It'll do low to mid 900's with heavy pellets.

  That's  excel ant then  because  you can  have that fps with out having to by a different model like the wfh etc, I have  the beeman  1064 ram/.22 coming this next Tuesday. 128.00 /plus shipping that has the cool muzzle end with the holes in it/ got it knowing it gets around 750 fps  because i like the looks of it

  Those are very very accurate just  like the teck force 89, I believe the same company makes them both// I would of got the mach 12.5  but the timing was off i wound up grabbing the   used wfh .22 cheap for 125.

[Paul68]

You'll like the 1064, and yes, they are basically TF 89's. I have a 22 cal 1051 aka Teton, and have yet to tune it even though I have the parts, simply because it is an excellent out of the box shooter. It's accurate to about 3/4" groups at 35 yrds, and will punch through 1/2" particle board at about 125 feet. I've even taken a squirrel at 50+ yrds with it. All I've done is adjust the trigger and clean the barrel. They're basically the same gun mechanically. If yours has no issues, it should be a very nice shooter.

[Bryan Heimann]

Even if you couldn't get factory replacement parts for your Hatsan rifles, you can get aftermarket springs, nitro pistons, and JM seals.  Sure you would have to do some work, but you would still have a quality rifle in the end with many years of operation.  how ofter do the trigger components wear out, or any thing else mad of high quality steel?  It will be your spring, piston seal, and breech seal.  All of those can be had aftermarket and give equal or better performance.

Where else are you going to find beautiful Turkish walnut stocks, or German steel barrels, or anything with the Hatsan build quality at these low prices?  Even if you had to put some aftermarket parts in them, they would still be worth every penny.  Just my opinion.

You make a good point.  I do tune my guns with JM springs and seals, period.  Never "tuned" a gun with factory parts.  But, I would never ship a gun to the factory for warranty work.  It's not worth paying for shipping to and from to have the same kind of knuckleheads working on my gun that screwed it up in the first place.  A decent spring and 2 piston seals in case you mess up the first one are around or below $50 including shipping.  Well, that's about what it costs to get your gun from A to B and back with a factory spring to replace a broken one for "free" on the warranty.  Plus you risk damage during shipping and you have a long turnaround time in even the best case scenario.  I'd rather spend my money on a fresh JM spring and seals, and do a de-bur & lube tune in one evening after work!  But this applies to every single airgun brand and importer.  Hatsan does still represent a ton of value for money.  I just like to know i can order a part whenever i need it!

EDIT- but like you said-  it's not like you realistically expect trouble from a Hatsan with anything other than (eventually) spring and seals, and all our springers come to need a freshening up eventually.  Even the most expensive high-end springers will.  And you probably want it better than new if possible...

[Nathan]

I also got about the same line when I suggested the muzzle velocity was not up to par. I told them I was getting an average of 735 fps from my .22 with CPHP 14.3 gr pellets. Here was their response:

"The Model 95 .22 cal velocities asre rated in the factory with a 13.93 grain match pellet.
This likely the reason for the velocity drop off.  We suggest that you try
a pellet in this weight to see if you get an acceptable velocity range of
760 - 800 FPS. If this does no work you may return the gun to: Hatsan USA
                                                     1300 Melissa Dr. #124
                                                     Bentonville, AR 72712"

Anyone know where I can get a 13.93 gr match pellet in .22?

Try a Gamo match. IIRC, they're around 14 to 14.3 grains.

Nathan

[Mike 4888blues]

I have made a mountain out of a mole hill.   Already came up with workarounds to parts and I'm sure a solution for Hatans restrictions will be overcome by some of the tuning suppliers or some new entrepreneur.

I think its kind of funny, I believe  with the regular springer 's  getting parts via adaption to are pistons  or buying another spring comparable to what we need, there's no problem, even the quattro trigger can be  had else where,

except if you damage the rifle barrel by a bad accident I am not worried. I take care of my stuff. lets say  you need a lock up pin i am sure you could get  one  that's the same from a teck force or beeman  which is the same  company  unless your up into the german made ones.
  cant say about the pcp and those Hatsan under levers for parts , i am not into those
 for Hatsan springer I have no problem  buying any one at any to me..

crossman can keep there rifles they had a chance  to do something good  with there company but no / its the same old stuff, over and over problems, no power, bad triggers, etc
 I don't want there parts cause i don't want there rifles , sure there quest  are cool but anythings that's  supposed to be above avarage is pragmatic. even there so called flagship rifle Xl 1100 lol etc.  rick Ustler stated that as well.
 nitro venom wood  was cool looking  what a dud. I sent mine back along with the Benjamin trail ((please) .
 So my fellow air gunners.. I say Follow your heart..your golden path is before you lol 

[Mike 4888blues]

I also got about the same line when I suggested the muzzle velocity was not up to par. I told them I was getting an average of 735 fps from my .22 with CPHP 14.3 gr pellets. Here was their response:

"The Model 95 .22 cal velocities asre rated in the factory with a 13.93 grain match pellet.
This likely the reason for the velocity drop off.  We suggest that you try
a pellet in this weight to see if you get an acceptable velocity range of
760 - 800 FPS. If this does no work you may return the gun to: Hatsan USA
                                                     1300 Melissa Dr. #124
                                                     Bentonville, AR 72712"

Anyone know where I can get a 13.93 gr match pellet in .22?

Try a Gamo match. IIRC, they're around 14 to 14.3 grains.

Nathan

  Did you shoot the rifel 15 x before  trying to crony it for results?
remember the seal has  to warm up for expansion  to get the proper fps results

[z28rod]

 if i got 735fps on a 14.3 gr pellet i would not complain to much. 14 gr .22 should be gamo pellet ??

[Tarheel]

I have come to the conclusion that this is NOT AN ISSUE for me, at all, since I plan to have a HATSAN 125 professionally deburred and adjusted, along with the installation of a 180 bar Gas Ram. thus making ANY warranty from HATSAN a "DEAD ISSUE" !!!

However, I do intend to order a "stockpile" of seals, just in case, to avoid any future problems from "regulation", etc.

I will be buying HATSAN !

Dave

[Mike 4888blues]

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