Am I missing something????

[mtsheron70]

Is Beeman a Weihrauch or just a importer???  I see on some sites Weihrauch only or Beeman only and the models look identical.  I know RWS is like the importer for Diana..............correct?

Maybe I just have my German knowledge way off here on airguns!

Knowledgable folks please chime in!

[s10gto]

Beeman is the importer. Weihrauch is the manufacture of the German made rifles and pistols

[Motorhead]

Correct, Robert Beeman was the first to import the Weihrauch arms into north america under contract and thus those arms carry BOTH names embossed into action.  Some of the earlier higher power models that were non-european legal or made at all for that market had specific model numbers assigned to them while others were juiced up models sold in europe detuned that carried the same model numbers.  Kind of went back and forth for years while Beemans Precision was under Roberts guidance.
Sense selling the company the lineup of offered models and place of manufacture is much broader and IMO no where near the quality across the board it once was back in the 80's & early 90's

[mtsheron70]

Thanks guys!  Just wanted to have my German facts straight!

[VAFarmer]

Heres the number one German fact to remember....HW's are Beemans, but cheaper.

Who want to pay for a name?....

If someone does, email me.  I'll go buy a Gamo, stamp Farmer2012 in the reciever, and charge then 50 bucks extra 

God bless,

Farmer

[Wild Onion]

Can I get it autographed by the neighbor lady who accused you of shooting her dog? lol, alas that is a story from a different thread.

[SAADE]

Weihrauch stampings or etching (only) are Weihrauch guns. The same guns can also be a Beeman gun (HW97K is an example) in North America, and they will have both markings.

HW is a model prefix (for Herrman Weihrauch). A Weihrauch gun is always a Weihrauch but, it can also be a Beeman in the U.S. Today's Beeman company imports many grades and brands of airguns, many are just lo-end, the HW models are the good stuff.

Very similar to the old relationship of RWS and Dianawerks in Germany.

[RedFeather]

Something everyone should be aware of.  Doc Beeman imported a lot of guns during his time, not all of which were made by HW.  Diana, Gamo, BSA to name a few.  So, a Beeman name doesn't mean it will be an HW.  Then he retired and sold the business.  Beeman (the company) then started rebadging a lot of cheap Spanish (not so bad) and Chinese (not so good) models.  About a year ago, Beeman split up into two companies.  One has continued with the higher line guns such as HW.  The other imports the cheap stuff.

Sometimes I think that, if you want to top end HW, you might consider the older Beeman imports from when he first contracted with them.  Much nicer touches - checkering, grip caps, cheekpieces, etc.

[bart the fart]

Something else you should be aware of.  Doc Beeman imported a lot of guns during his time, not all of which were made by HW.  Diana, Gamo, BSA to name a few.  So, a Beeman name doesn't mean it will be an HW.  Then he retired and sold the business.  Beeman (the company) then started rebading a lot of cheap Spanish (not so bad) and Chinese (not so good) models.  About a year ago, Beeman split up into two companies.  One has continued with the higher line guns such as HW.  The other imports the cheap stuff.

Sometimes I think that, if you want to top end HW, you might consider the older Beeman imports from when he first contracted with them.  Much nicer touches - checkering, grip caps, cheekpieces, etc.

Good points...I have a beeman Santa Rosa (1981) made by Norica. Shes a beater that I bought cause I live in Santa Rosa CA...kinda neet to me
Bart

[SAADE]

Yes, the original Beeman Co. imported Webley, Diana, FWB and even a Brocock or two, among others. Then, they sold to SR Industries, maker of the infamous 1010 BB pistol and Marksman guns in Huntington Beach, CA. SR then sold out to the Chinese and they manage the lo-end Beeman guns (Beeman in name only) and the good stuff (HW guns) are part of the U.S. distribution through PA and PA to other retailers thru their Air Venturi company.

Hard to follow the lineage, let alone the money in this convoluted evolution!

[mtsheron70]

Yes, the original Beeman Co. imported Webley, Diana, FWB and even a Brocock or two, among others. Then, they sold to SR Industries, maker of the infamous 1010 BB pistol and Marksman guns in Huntington Beach, CA. SR then sold out to the Chinese and they manage the lo-end Beeman guns (Beeman in name only) and the good stuff (HW guns) are part of the U.S. distribution through PA and PA to other retailers thru their Air Venturi company.

Hard to follow the lineage, let alone the money in this convoluted evolution!

So a Beeman HW97K from PA is the real deal German piece?

[mtsheron70]

Funny.........Weihrauch sold @ PA has only a 1 year wrranty but the imported Weihrauch by Beeman holds a limited lifetime warranty!  Can someone explain this?

[TOM aka critter99]

well ya pay for that compare the HW model to a Beeman branded one.  Not sure if the Beeman warranty is worth it.  I admit I have not read the Beeman warranty but if they are like UMAREX and you tune it the warranty is gone.  Extra $100 bucks for a warranty that you might not be able to use??

Found this on the Archer website about Beeman warranty:
"DO NOT DISASSEMBLE your air rifle for any reason unless you know what to do and how to do it safely. You may risk serious injury or even death! If you have any doubts, you should contact a professional airgunsmith. Dis-assembling the air rifle will invalidate the Beeman warranty on your air rifle. "

http://www.@#$%^.com/Receiver-Tube-for-Beeman-Sportsman-Series-p/beemanreceiver.htm

[SAADE]

So a Beeman HW97K from PA is the real deal German piece?
[/quote]

Yes, and unless you get a "lemon" (highly doubtful) one year warranty is more than enough time to decide if all is well with your HW97K. Mine is 7 years old, over 10,000 rounds thru it, and still shoots in the mid -800 fps with RWS Superdome pellets. All I have ever done is change a breech seal (easy) and keep her cleaned and lubed.

Just like a fine sports car, if you leave it stock, the warranty is more than adequate. If you are a tinkerer/tuner, then warranty doesn't matter to you?