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SquirrelSniper25 · « **on:** February 12, 2012, 01:26:01 PM »

I'd like to start off by saying thanks to Nate the airgunner for letting me in on his secret hold for the trail xl 1100. I explained to him on Facebook how my trail was shooting baracudas good one day, and not the next, and the poi was changing. He informed me to try tightening my hold a little instead of laying the rifle flat on my palm. All I can say is that changed everything in my group sizes. I get about a .75 5 shot group with Baracudas at 20 yards and groups under .5" with the Beeman FTS at that range are possible also! Can't wait to see what a GRT III will do to these groups!

Nate the airgunner · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:31:50 PM »

anytime trev!

mtsheron70 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2012, 02:20:15 PM »

The GRTIII will make your smile bigger!

longislandhunter · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2012, 02:32:34 PM »

My XL is exactly the same, likes a nice firm grip. Glad to hear you got your dialed in

Jeff

SquirrelSniper25 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:16:04 PM »

Quote from: mtsheron70 on February 12, 2012, 02:20:15 PM

The GRTIII will make your smile bigger!

That's what I've heard. Just gotta save a few more pennies. LOL!

Lambchops · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2012, 06:20:29 PM »

I thought you had just recently sold your Trail Np Xl?

SquirrelSniper25 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2012, 06:59:50 PM »

Quote from: Lambchops1493 on February 12, 2012, 06:20:29 PM

I thought you had just recently sold your Trail Np Xl?

Nope, I thought I had. I guess my asking price was too high. Oh well, I don't need to sell it anyway.

QVTom · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2012, 07:32:07 PM »

I don't have a XL but have found that a firmer grip works best with my Gamos. I like to snug up the gun to my shoulder with a fairly tight grasp on the pistol grip and fore hand. This way I know I have it shouldered in a good place, then I relax my grip a bit as I exhale and squeeze the trigger. This works for me in all shooting positions.

I have never had any luck with the classic artillery hold as described so often and couldn't imagine hunting with the loosey goosey when winded or on less than ideal ground. Once when experimenting with the open palm, I actually missed my 4'X8' back stop at 20yds! I find that if my scope is still on target after the recoil my hold is working.

-T

Lambchops · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2012, 12:10:50 AM »

Quote from: Nate the airgunner on February 12, 2012, 01:31:50 PM

anytime trev!

What's your youtube?

Nate the airgunner · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2012, 01:13:03 AM »

Quote from: Lambchops1493 on February 13, 2012, 12:10:50 AM

Quote from: Nate the airgunner on February 12, 2012, 01:31:50 PM
anytime trev!

What's your youtube?

Its named after my Favorite airgun, Its BENJItrailNPxl110, some of the videos are very amateur, but I havent the gear and equipment to make them 5 star quality.

Lambchops · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2012, 01:29:07 AM »

Quote from: Nate the airgunner on February 13, 2012, 01:13:03 AM

Quote from: Lambchops1493 on February 13, 2012, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: Nate the airgunner on February 12, 2012, 01:31:50 PM
anytime trev!

What's your youtube?

Its named after my Favorite airgun, Its BENJItrailNPxl110, some of the videos are very amateur, but I havent the gear and equipment to make them 5 star quality.

Ahh, i've already been subbed to you for a few months lol.

Finchlake · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2012, 09:48:17 PM »

This is interesting, I have been shooting my Benjamin Trail XL with a loose hold and have been terrible results. I going to try a tighter hold and see if that helps.

Thanks

Nate the airgunner · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2012, 11:34:10 PM »

Quote from: Finchlake on February 13, 2012, 09:48:17 PM

This is interesting, I have been shooting my Benjamin Trail XL with a loose hold and have been terrible results. I going to try a tighter hold and see if that helps.

Thanks

It will most liekly help.

Quote from: Lambchops1493 on February 13, 2012, 01:29:07 AM

Quote from: Nate the airgunner on February 13, 2012, 01:13:03 AM
Quote from: Lambchops1493 on February 13, 2012, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: Nate the airgunner on February 12, 2012, 01:31:50 PM
anytime trev!

What's your youtube?

Its named after my Favorite airgun, Its BENJItrailNPxl110, some of the videos are very amateur, but I havent the gear and equipment to make them 5 star quality.

Ahh, i've already been subbed to you for a few months lol.

Sweet lol,

bambazonke01 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2012, 08:50:21 AM »

I too have found the Trail XL prefers a slightly firmer grip.
I always go through a mental checklist.
Is my front grip still at the same place on the piece of sticky tape I stuck there.
Is my middle grip the same and am I squeezing the trigger straigt backwards?
How does it sit in my shoulder.
I might add that Squeezing the GRT straight bakwards helps accuracy a lot.
If you have any sideways pressure on the trigger then the rifle jumps out of alignment at recoil.
Jim

border · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:38:40 AM »

Read this yesterday and just had to try it w/my Titan and R7 (yes, even the sweet little R7)...Had nothing to lose but maybe doing away w/flyers and wondering if I was ever gonna actually find the secret light artillery "hold" that seems to be the preference for the AG community...Everything I read tells me to hold the gun lightly...don't force it...you can't overcome bidirectional recoil...blah..blah...blah...all good in intent but doesn't work well for me...Frustratiing.
So I tried it and my groups at 10 yds started shrinking as I played w/it...pull the stock in, grip the fore end tight (trying to find the same place everytime...get consistent)...not so tight...tight again...Took a few shots to make me think everything I've read doesn't apply to me!...Groups w/both guns have tightened up considerably...touching now w/an occasional flyer out maybe 1/4"...bad pellet? Me?...Don't know yet...I'm going to play w/this some more and see if I can get it acceptable...wow...a lot like shooting any rifle as it turns out!...So far so good. I'll try it again when I can get out to 20 yards. Thanks to Squirrelsniper and to Nate for the suggestion. I'd tell any shooter to give it a try. If it helps...good. If not...go back to what you were doing. A simple moment or two and you'll know. It may defy conventional wisdom and lots of preaching but if it works it just works.

bobster · « **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2012, 12:36:04 PM »

As discussed here

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,11401.msg96061.html#msg96061

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,25380.msg230386.html#msg230386

the artillery hold is touted as something you must do if you own a springer. That is wrong. There are numerous cases where artillery hold is the worst hold you can do. It is one of the holds a person may want to try but there is a lot of misinformation out there saying it is what you have to do to make a springer accurate. Really we need to de-bunk this myth IMO.

SquirrelSniper25 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:38:09 PM »

Quote from: border on February 14, 2012, 10:38:40 AM

Read this yesterday and just had to try it w/my Titan and R7 (yes, even the sweet little R7)...Had nothing to lose but maybe doing away w/flyers and wondering if I was ever gonna actually find the secret light artillery "hold" that seems to be the preference for the AG community...Everything I read tells me to hold the gun lightly...don't force it...you can't overcome bidirectional recoil...blah..blah...blah...all good in intent but doesn't work well for me...Frustratiing.
So I tried it and my groups at 10 yds started shrinking as I played w/it...pull the stock in, grip the fore end tight (trying to find the same place everytime...get consistent)...not so tight...tight again...Took a few shots to make me think everything I've read doesn't apply to me!...Groups w/both guns have tightened up considerably...touching now w/an occasional flyer out maybe 1/4"...bad pellet? Me?...Don't know yet...I'm going to play w/this some more and see if I can get it acceptable...wow...a lot like shooting any rifle as it turns out!...So far so good. I'll try it again when I can get out to 20 yards. Thanks to Squirrelsniper and to Nate for the suggestion. I'd tell any shooter to give it a try. If it helps...good. If not...go back to what you were doing. A simple moment or two and you'll know. It may defy conventional wisdom and lots of preaching but if it works it just works.

No problem! Glad I could put this out there and help people, I always thought you HAD to shoot a springer with the artillery hold too.

bambazonke01 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:43:01 PM »

Hi Guys,
Using my Trail XL, I practiced my hold first across a bag . First the forehand then the pistol grip and trigger and finally the butt against the shoulder.
Attached is a picture showing the results I arrived at eventually at 25, 50 and 75 yds
At 25 yds you see the two 3 shot groups on the left target. I shot the lower group and then adjusted the scope for the 2nd group.
50 Yds group is on the right and 75 yds is above the 25 yard target which shows quite a spread.
Jim

longislandhunter · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:51:30 PM »

I have a fairly large springer collection and while I do have a few rifles that respond well to the artillery hold I find that the rest of my springers respond best, for me, with a traditional, firm grip like I use on my PB's.

Jeff

SAADE · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:51:54 PM »

bobster, thanks for that post. The artillery hold is just a place (method) to begin. For my spring guns, each has a different need for hold; Bronco, grip it and rip it, HW97K any hold will do, I even shot it for a day with loose stcock screws and lost about a whole .25" ctc accuracy! (it's an HW, what can I say?)

Hatsan 95 .177 likes a medium firm hold with zero cant if possible, artillery hold with this rifle is just spray and pray.

I think Mr. Gaylord and others have over-played the universal need for the artllery hold only.

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