Author Topic: HATSAN 125 & 135 - Are the Internal Components Identical ? (Read 17217 times))

Tarheel · « **on:** February 05, 2012, 10:06:08 PM »

QUESTION - Are the internal components identical on both the Hatsan 125 & 135 ?

Is the Spring Tube and Piston the same bore and stroke in both models, or not ?

Thanks !

Dave

supertech77 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2012, 11:33:29 PM »

i asked gene that question and he said they have the same power plant,i think he is correct as usual,

Magman116 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2012, 10:34:29 AM »

I believe the only difference is the stock. The 135 comes with a wood stock and the 125 series come with synthetic stocks.

Tarheel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:08:32 PM »

While looking online I found conflicting data that say the 135 has a larger diameter Spring Tube & Piston.

Has anyone ever compared them side by side or exchanged Piston Seals or Piston parts on these ?

If the 135 has a greater Swept Volume, I would choose it over the 125 . . ..

I found a couple of charts online . . . Please feel free to comment,

This one is in Russian, but it is decipherable.

Sorry to be a pest about this . . .

Thanks !

Dave

Magman116 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2012, 01:32:38 PM »

I for one prefer the wood over synthetic and will always choose wood especially when it is as good as Hatsan.

Mike 4888blues · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2012, 03:16:05 PM »

Me too I prefer wood too and the Hastan Turkish walnut is breath taking
but some how one day I like to have a cool camo rifle but only after I buy a wood stock version in Turkish walnut lol

Tarheel · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:11:15 PM »

I am still uncertain, as those two independent sources seem to show a different setup for the 135 than the 125.

I sent a couple of e-mails to Hatsan, but have never received a reply . . . There may be a language barrier causing problems.

I hope I can find out 100%, one way or the other . . . If the 135 has a larger swept volume, I would choose it over the 125. But, if the 125 is identical, that would be my choice.

Dave

z28rod · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2012, 01:24:46 AM »

Gene is not usually wrong

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Tarheel · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:18:17 AM »

Quote from: z28rod on February 11, 2012, 01:24:46 AM

Gene is not usually wrong ?

Brent,

I sent Gene a PM the other day, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

He may not have actually had a 135 apart yet, since they are brand new in the USA.

Dave

supertech77 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2012, 12:26:03 PM »

i was hoping PETE,would post in ,think he has had one apart,check in the Turkish gate,there is a post on the wfh that i think pete went into detail about the size of the chamber and piston,he,s in the Netherlands i think so he probably has had one apart ;;your spec,s say it is different for sure,would like to know myself it the 135 has a larger power-plant,cause the walther talon and the wfh both are the same size as the hatsan 125,

Tarheel · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2012, 12:48:47 PM »

Quote from: supertech77 on February 11, 2012, 12:26:03 PM

i was hoping PETE,would post in ,think he has had one apart,check in the Turkish gate,there is a post on the wfh that i think pete went into detail about the size of the chamber and piston,he,s in the Netherlands i think so he probably has had one apart ;;your spec,s say it is different for sure,would like to know myself it the 135 has a larger power-plant,cause the walther talon and the wfh both are the same size as the hatsan 125,

Mick,

Yep, I knew the 125, WTM, & WFH are the same rifle with different cosmetics, but the 135 is still something of an "enigma", due to the conflicting data found online.

Do you happen to have a link to that thread on GTA ?

Thanks !

Dave

Pete · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2012, 07:53:04 AM »

I'm pretty sure the stock is the only diffrents....
BUT..I have not had a 135 in my hands to
know for sure..

I have read that the 135 has a bigger tube...
the 125 has a 29mm ID tube & the turkish
Webley Patriot has a 30.5 ID tube..So it is
possable that the 135 & Patriot are basicly
the same power plant... IF the 135 is a
bigger tube than the 125....

Tarheel · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2012, 01:29:57 PM »

Quote from: pete on February 13, 2012, 07:53:04 AM

IF the 135 is a bigger tube than the 125....

Pete,

Yes, yes, please go on . . . LOL !

I am still hoping for 100% confirmation, one way or the other.

Thanks !

Dave

SMOKEY · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2012, 03:02:23 AM »

hi tarhheel i found this on here!
Shooters

Posts: 10

Hatsan 135
« on: December 29, 2011, 10:20:17 PM »QuoteHi All - Just wanted to pass on some information that I received from Hatsan. I have been searching for a more powerful air rifle to hunt larger game. I was intrigued by the WallyWorld Disco avenue, but then thought that a springer could generate as much or more FPE than the disco without all the pumping/expense. I started looking into the WFH/WT, Hatsan 125, Hatsan 135 and Webley Patriot. I compared photos to see if the Patriot was the same as the Hatsan 135, but it does not look like it is a match. The Hatsan 125 and 135 look pretty close together (save an extra screw in the spring tube), so I asked the Hatsan help folks to see if there was a difference between the 125 and 135 (other than the nice walnut stock). Here is their response:

Hello
Both 2 models are at the same power. Mod125 has a 33mm diameter tube and Mod135 has a 35mm.
You can consider buying either of them. If you like walnut wood, you can but Mod135. If you would like to have an all weather sytnthetic stock, Mod125 would be your choice.
Best Regards
Hatsan Arms Company

Hopefully that answers some questions that have been circulating. The Patriot looks to be a completely different animal than either of these.

Tarheel · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2012, 11:38:43 AM »

Quote from: SMOKEY on February 15, 2012, 03:02:23 AM

hi tarhheel i found this on here!
Shooters

Posts: 10

Hatsan 135
« on: December 29, 2011, 10:20:17 PM »QuoteHi All - Just wanted to pass on some information that I received from Hatsan. I have been searching for a more powerful air rifle to hunt larger game. I was intrigued by the WallyWorld Disco avenue, but then thought that a springer could generate as much or more FPE than the disco without all the pumping/expense. I started looking into the WFH/WT, Hatsan 125, Hatsan 135 and Webley Patriot. I compared photos to see if the Patriot was the same as the Hatsan 135, but it does not look like it is a match. The Hatsan 125 and 135 look pretty close together (save an extra screw in the spring tube), so I asked the Hatsan help folks to see if there was a difference between the 125 and 135 (other than the nice walnut stock). Here is their response:

Hello
Both 2 models are at the same power. Mod125 has a 33mm diameter tube and Mod135 has a 35mm.
You can consider buying either of them. If you like walnut wood, you can but Mod135. If you would like to have an all weather sytnthetic stock, Mod125 would be your choice.
Best Regards
Hatsan Arms Company

Hopefully that answers some questions that have been circulating. The Patriot looks to be a completely different animal than either of these.

Smokey,

Thanks for the info . . .

This data adds in two more potential values for the size of the Spring Tubes . . .

Unfortunately, I haven't heard back from Hatsan yet ( just sent them e-mail #4 ).

Still digging . . . LOL !

Thanks !

Dave

Tarheel · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2012, 05:41:10 PM »

I go a reply from HATSAN . . .

THe 125 has a 29 mm diameter and the 135 has a 30 mm diameter . . .

QUOTE:

hi
the internal cylinder diameter of Mod125 is 29mm and Mod135 is 30mm.
Both 125 and 135 have the same stroke.
They are same except stocks, cylinders, piston and piston seals.
Best Regards
Hatsan Arms Company

END QUOTE:

Dave

supertech77 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2012, 05:56:47 PM »

so there is a difference and the 135 does have more volume,due to the larger chamber and piston,,,so the power plant is not the same,it can't be by what hatsan said in there message to you and to smokey,,great job guys finding out this stuff..

rsterne · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2012, 06:23:25 PM »

The 29/30mm are the IDs while the 33/35mm "tubes" are the ODs.... not really any confusion there.... It would appear that the 125 and the 135 are, indeed, different swept volumes.... Nice to know....

Bob

Smackey54 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2012, 06:52:57 PM »

Good info! Thanks guys!

QVTom · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2012, 07:27:28 PM »

Quote from: supertech77 on February 16, 2012, 05:56:47 PM

so there is a difference and the 135 does have more volume,due to the larger chamber and piston,,,so the power plant is not the same,it can't be by what hatsan said in there message to you and to smokey,,great job guys finding out this stuff..

"Hello
Both 2 models are at the same power. Mod125 has a 33mm diameter tube and Mod135 has a 35mm." I thik this means both guns make the same power (fpe) not the same power plant.

Interesting stuff though!

-T

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HATSAN 125 & 135 - Are the Internal Components Identical ?

Author Topic: HATSAN 125 & 135 - Are the Internal Components Identical ? (Read 17217 times))

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