Ruger Air Hawk woes

[microsalmo]

So I took my 90 day old Walmart Ruger Air Hawk apart today.  It sprayed every pellet other than the Polymags.  No surprise - there are two huge chunks missing out of the seal... actually, they are both sitting in the compression tube up against the stop.  I don't expect anything special form this gun and don't want to get crazy upgrading it, but where is the best place to get a new seal?  Would I have any luck calling Umarex and asking for a free replacement?  Or would I be better off ordering one aftermarket?

Thanks guys - Steve

[Mpac]

Probably will void warranty if you ask umarex just order order one from vortek the rws seal and debur the rough edges before installing new seal.Usually umarex will want you to send the gun in. http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/Seals-Tuning-Parts/ProSEAL28 heres the link.

[TOM aka critter99]

Standard UMAREX tactic to get out of honoring any warranty....

They are all about max profit when the brand demand goes under they just move on to another product to import and pump for profit

[mikeiniowa]

call flying dragon, have everything and more that you need

[porkfrog]

I used a Tesla seal in mine ( i didnt wait 90 days!) minimal sizing with some 300 grit sandpaper and its awesome now. It needed ALOT of deburring...

Good luck!

[microsalmo]

Thanks guys.

I couldn't stand it.  The inside was a mess.  I polished everything up tonight... edges, tube, piston, chamber hone, spring, lever, etc..  I'll get a seal coming tomorrow.  Are the trigger assemblies difficult to open up without everything flying apart on these guns?

  

[porkfrog]

That trigger is a Jack-In-the-Box. Took an extra half day to find all the parts scattered across the basememt.

[microsalmo]

I just emailed Umarex.  I doubt they will bat a lash, but I felt they needed to know what the perception is.  Here it is:

Umarex, Quality control is disappointing in a recent purchase I had.  I picked up a new Air Hawk at Walmart and the velocities & groups were terrible... after break in and after pellet experimentation.  I disassembled the gun and found the piston seal to be missing two huge chunks of material.  This gun is 90 days old, and only has about 250 rounds through it.  Knowing you would not simply send me a new seal under warranty, I ordered a replacement on my own.  If you are interested, there are photographs on line in the GTA forums/Chinese Air Guns.  The thread is titled "Ruger Air Hawk Woes."  I feel you have a great product and deserve to know that assembly on this one was careless.  Feel free to call or email me if you want those photographs or have any questions.  P.S. I recently had a similar incident with Crosman and they had new seal in the mail to me the next day.  When I called your service center about the issue, they told me to send the gun in at my expense... The perception is that Crosman is spoling me, and that Umarex is making it's customers work to hard to get relief.

[microsalmo]

That trigger is a Jack-In-the-Box. Took an extra half day to find all the parts scattered across the basememt.

Thanks for the heads up!

[tpw]

thats what you get with them rifles. hit and miss cause they dont care how they put them together. and im speaking from experience. its better to save a few bucks and get something made here. IMOP. go pcp. take it back to walley and wait a tad to get a 34. dont mess with the clones cause they are junk

[Rocker1]

thats what you get with them rifles. hit and miss cause they dont care how they put them together. and im speaking from experience. its better to save a few bucks and get something made here. IMOP. go pcp. take it back to walley and wait a tad to get a 34. dont mess with the clones cause they are junk

     Not always junk Tom  people shoot what they can afford please no air gun bashing on what people shoot.  David

[pappa]

that's what you get with them rifles. hit and miss cause they dont care how they put them together. and im speaking from experience. its better to save a few bucks and get something made here. IMOP. go pcp. take it back to walley and wait a tad to get a 34. dont mess with the clones cause they are junk

I take exception to this idea. I have used a Ruger Blackhawk for years and it is one fine rifle; super dependable, super accurate and very powerful, also very trouble free. I now have 3 Rugers and they are the most dependable and useful rifles I own. I started with an RWS 34 years ago and it turned out to be a piece of junk too. You pays your money and you takes your chances!!!

By the way, if you are speaking of an RWS34 when you say 34, they are not made here.

[tpw]

i wasnt bashing anything. just talking from personal experience and i know the 34 isnt made here. they are german guns and thats why i suggested taking the clone back and save for one. and i did say the china guns are hit and miss. i didnt put them all down so dont know why you said i was bashing anyone

[porkfrog]

Well i'm not about to start a debate, but while those 34's may be ASSEMBLED in Germany, I believe I have heard many to most of the parts are coming from China. I will even go out on a limb and say thier parts are coming from BAM who is making the Air Hawk.  A good example... I have a supplier in China that provides product for my company. When I was taking the tour, I was brought into a large manufacturing area that made a whole slew of various components for BMW!  The laws allow the "made in" statements to be made in the country where the major transformation takes place. So while something may say "made in XYZ" it may really not...

[tpw]

they stopped getting barrels from the Chinese because of quality issues. all german made now

[porkfrog]

OK. I have no information that could prove this otherwise.  200 bucks still seems very inexpensive for a german rifle

[tpw]

it is worth it

[shadow]

Sometimes you get what I call a bad day at the assembly shop airgun but it's basically still a solid shooter just need's some TLC. I have German shooters China shooters and the list go's on and in my book their all darn good shooters. All of them including the German made shooters have required some TLC to bring out the best in them. My Turbo Tuned B25 has no problem going head to head with my Turbo Tuned RWS34 Panther. You may have a good shooter there but will need to giver her some TLC to bring out the best in her. Ed

[Brutuz]

The trigger unit can be removed without parts parts scattered across the basememt, in fact I was pointed to the trick shown in the video here on the GTA from TJK.

The rifle shown in the vid isn't full power: allways use a spring compressor !!

[mikeiniowa]

Well i'm not about to start a debate, but while those 34's may be ASSEMBLED in Germany, I believe I have heard many to most of the parts are coming from China. I will even go out on a limb and say thier parts are coming from BAM who is making the Air Hawk.  A good example... I have a supplier in China that provides product for my company. When I was taking the tour, I was brought into a large manufacturing area that made a whole slew of various components for BMW!  The laws allow the "made in" statements to be made in the country where the major transformation takes place. So while something may say "made in XYZ" it may really not...

BAM doesn't make the Air Hawk, as far as I can tell no rws parts are made in China any longer, at one time some parts were made there but no longer...