Pinty's Flashpup

[Xraycer]

I'm going to give up after this because it's apparent what I am saying it not getting thru. PIC and WEAVER rails are, by spec supposed to be 21.2mm wide (give or take .2mm)
TRUE weaver or pic rings are only required to tighten down to fit on this spec. A lot of the higher cost ones only do this so that there is little chance of the rings being off-centered. If you by chance get a set of rings that tightens down to 19mm (the actually approx width of the pinty rail) then you will be fine, your rings will just be slightly off center, but they will tighten. So what I am saying it that it doesn't matter whether or not you order pic or weaver rings, what matters is that the rings you happen to get, tighten past the width of the rail.

Edit to add - I'm not arguing about anything, just pointing out facts.

Perhaps, the Monstrum vendors are actually shooters and already know these facts, and are including these fitting info to keep it simple for the buyers. So perhaps when they mention compatibility with both pic and weaver, they are in actually saying that the mounts will clamp down to 19mm.
Honestly, I don't truly care for actual specs or anything, I just want a scope mount that will work with these P-pups rail. Close enough is good for me. Im just a plinker and pester, and I shoot my airguns under 50yd, so 1mm off center is a non-issue for me. As long as the scope is on tight to the gun, I'm good with that.

[bduares]

I'm going to give up after this because it's apparent what I am saying it not getting thru. PIC and WEAVER rails are, by spec supposed to be 21.2mm wide (give or take .2mm)
TRUE weaver or pic rings are only required to tighten down to fit on this spec.

Weaver rails mounts do not have "specs" per se. Generally they have recoil groove widths between rails of .180". That's it, that is as close to a "spec" the Weaver has, straight from William Weaver in 1930. There is no specified base width, nor height from base to top. Just a groove width. It is not a military invention, so there is no strict spec to follow with regard to Weaver rails. Some are 19mm in width. Some are 20mm or 21mm in width. The Russians traditionally used 19mm as their Weaver rail width. William Weaver himself came up with it to sell his own scopes and compete with Leupold..

[avator]

I think it's a moot deal at this point... the problem has been defined and more than one solution has been proposed and proven.
I find it difficult to quibble about 1 - 2 mm side to side variance when we are all over the place with center of scope to center of bore in height with our scope mounting.   

[RichH]

I'm going to give up after this because it's apparent what I am saying it not getting thru. PIC and WEAVER rails are, by spec supposed to be 21.2mm wide (give or take .2mm)
TRUE weaver or pic rings are only required to tighten down to fit on this spec.

Weaver rails mounts do not have "specs" per se. Generally they have recoil groove widths between rails of .180". That's it, that is as close to a "spec" the Weaver has, straight from William Weaver in 1930. There is no specified base width, nor height from base to top. Just a groove width. It is not a military invention, so there is no strict spec to follow with regard to Weaver rails. Some are 19mm in width. Some are 20mm or 21mm in width. The Russians traditionally used 19mm as their Weaver rail width. William Weaver himself came up with it to sell his own scopes and compete with Leupold..

Weaver actually developed their rails in 1975 and the width was 7/8". The Pic rail was then adapted (for the military) from the weaver rail.

[bduares]

Weaver actually developed their rails in 1975 and the width was 7/8". The Pic rail was then adapted (for the military) from the weaver rail.

No.
Bonus fact: Bill Weaver died in 1975

[RichH]

Weaver actually developed their rails in 1975 and the width was 7/8". The Pic rail was then adapted (for the military) from the weaver rail.

No.
Bonus fact: Bill Weaver died in 1975

Guessing the "No" you are referring to is the year. I was referencing the "one piece" rail. And I know it was 7/8" and in the 90's it was "refined" for military use and named the Picatinny.

[bduares]

Weaver 3-30 scope mount, 1930:

[RichH]

Weaver 3-30 scope mount, 1930:

Surely, you're not saying those slotted rail mounts are from one of the Weaver 330 scopes, right? Made from 1930-1947?

I'd love to see the documentation you have from Weaver........

[bduares]

Someone thinks slotted rails are "recent". Sigh. Let's start going back in time....I have far earlier but this one shows it very well: the Weaver V mount, version 9, in their 1967 catalog:

[bduares]

Here's the 1958 version, again with the same mounts:

[bduares]

I like this one because the wood grain looks nice. 1969. Still with the same model V split Weaver rail. You get the point? He started selling the thing in 1930. He invented it prior to even that. He sold tens of thousands of the model 3-30 scope and these mounts. 36,000 of them were used as sniper scope sets by the US military in WW2. By 1975 (November 8th) he was dead at age 75.

[RichH]

I like this one because the wood grain looks nice. 1969. Still with the same model V split Weaver rail. You get the point? He started selling the thing in 1930. He invented it prior to even that. He sold tens of thousands of the model 3-30 scope and these mounts. 36,000 of them were used as sniper scope sets by the US military in WW2. By 1975 (November 8th) he was dead at age 75.

All of this weaver mounts history is great, maybe you missed it but I was taking about the "One Piece" Weaver rail system. I'm pretty sure that's what everyone was talking about, right? I mean how would any of those rings pictured fit on a Picatinny Rail?

[smythsg]

Congrats Dinh on proving that the Pinty Pup is a hunter, nice shooting at 40 yards. Which pellet did you use for that shot?

[Xraycer]

Congrats Dinh on proving that the Pinty Pup is a hunter, nice shooting at 40 yards. Which pellet did you use for that shot?

Hades.
I haven't really had time to really play with this gun. What I do know is that it hits hard, and it shoots straight! Perfect! When I get the time, I want to find out the fps, pellet preference, and shot count. New scope and rings should be here tomorrow. Hopefully, the rings fit and I like the scope.
I am really, really liking this gun! The Notos, my favorite compact pester/plinker for the past 2 years, is a fantastic gun, but it just doesn't have the horse power I need pass 20yd. It's still very early, but I contemplate on getting a 2nd one if the price stays below $250.

[avator]

Congrats Dinh on proving that the Pinty Pup is a hunter, nice shooting at 40 yards. Which pellet did you use for that shot?

Hades.
I haven't really had time to really play with this gun. What I do know is that it hits hard, and it shoots straight! Perfect! When I get the time, I want to find out the fps, pellet preference, and shot count. New scope and rings should be here tomorrow. Hopefully, the rings fit and I like the scope.
I am really, really liking this gun! The Notos, my favorite compact pester/plinker for the past 2 years, is a fantastic gun, but it just doesn't have the horse power I need pass 20yd. It's still very early, but I contemplate on getting a 2nd one if the price stays below $250.

Might want to hurry... the P-Force tactical is now sold out.  I would guess the pup would be next to sell out.

[Xraycer]

Congrats Dinh on proving that the Pinty Pup is a hunter, nice shooting at 40 yards. Which pellet did you use for that shot?

Hades.
I haven't really had time to really play with this gun. What I do know is that it hits hard, and it shoots straight! Perfect! When I get the time, I want to find out the fps, pellet preference, and shot count. New scope and rings should be here tomorrow. Hopefully, the rings fit and I like the scope.
I am really, really liking this gun! The Notos, my favorite compact pester/plinker for the past 2 years, is a fantastic gun, but it just doesn't have the horse power I need pass 20yd. It's still very early, but I contemplate on getting a 2nd one if the price stays below $250.

Might want to hurry... the P-Force tactical is now sold out.  I would guess the pup would be next to sell out.

If it's not meant to be, it's not meant to be. Besides, I'm anxiously awaiting the Air Venturi Micro Strike!

[gendoc]

well i was playing with the QM23 this morning to see if i could get better accuracy by decreasing the
HS tension. i started with 1/4 turns, then 1/2 turns, then a full turn.......not much if any difference
either way up or down. i guess i'm doing it right as there is a screw on the back of the action that appears to be the
HS adjustment---Maybe ??
i bore scoped the barrel and it looks about like a Hatsan barrel, dark with light rifling.
i have cleaned the barrel in the beginning until patches were clean, so maybe i need to polish it next. it only likes
heavy pellets and they are really not that consistent. my scope and mounts are perfect, so back to the drawing board
maybe cut a coil or 2...

[smythsg]

I agree John, the HS adjustment didn"t do much on my Pup either.

[Xraycer]

Perhaps, the Monstrum vendors are actually shooters and already know these facts, and are including these fitting info to keep it simple for the buyers. So perhaps when they mention compatibility with both pic and weaver, they are in actually saying that the mounts will clamp down to 19mm.

I got my Amazon order yesterday, and the Monstrum weaver specified scope mount does not fully fasten onto the P-pup's rail. However, along with that order, there was a scope I wanted to try out. It just happens to be a Pinty scope, and it included tall mounts. These mounts fastens snugly onto the P-pup's rail!
So, my initial disappointment was complete turned around because this is a fantastic budget scope! Lightweight, good clarity, side focus, and, so far, accurate. I only wished the reticle had mil dots, but I can live with the duplex reticle. With the gun shooting well over 800fps, the 15.89g Hades was hitting targets from 15yd to 55yd with very little holdover/holdunder. The glass clarity is on par with my Hawke Vantage, the side focus is smooth and not overly tight, and about 3" of eye relief. It's still early, but I gotta say that this is the best budget scope($60) I own, and I own quite a few.
https://a.co/d/50e5XpA

[avator]

Perhaps, the Monstrum vendors are actually shooters and already know these facts, and are including these fitting info to keep it simple for the buyers. So perhaps when they mention compatibility with both pic and weaver, they are in actually saying that the mounts will clamp down to 19mm.

I got my Amazon order yesterday, and the Monstrum weaver specified scope mount does not fully fasten onto the P-pup's rail. However, along with that order, there was a scope I wanted to try out. It just happens to be a Pinty scope, and it included tall mounts. These mounts fastens snugly onto the P-pup's rail!
So, my initial disappointment was complete turned around because this is a fantastic budget scope! Lightweight, good clarity, side focus, and, so far, accurate. I only wished the reticle had mil dots, but I can live with the duplex reticle. With the gun shooting well over 800fps, the 15.89g Hades was hitting targets from 15yd to 55yd with very little holdover/holdunder. The glass clarity is on par with my Hawke Vantage, the side focus is smooth and not overly tight, and about 3" of eye relief. It's still early, but I gotta say that this is the best budget scope($60) I own, and I own quite a few.
https://a.co/d/50e5XpA

Dinh... does that scope really weigh 2.1 pounds?