Beeman Raider 1331

[Blowpipe Sam]

Ok guys, stupid question here. To remove the factory pipe , I assume the threaded end cap must be removed first, yes? Well, mine is threaded on like someone used an impact gun on it. What is best way to get the frizzlin thing off without grinding everything up.

Look down the muzzle.  It's configured for a big Allen key.  8mm maybe?  Turn that and the moderator will unscrew.

[JimT66]

Ahhhh! Cool. Why don't these jacklegs include a diagram or exploded view in the box with these things! Always gotta make it difficult on us.

[Nukall856]

20°F
Wind from North @ 31 MPH

For three days now it has been cold and stormy out with blowing snow so I have not been able to shoot the Raider. If temps continue to stay low I may have to wait till temps are higher to where I am comfortable < +30°F. Not sure how long that'll be but I'll try and try maybe In the mid 20°s and I can get more testing done.
 So I'm sure using Heavier pellets will use more air per shot, though if I am thinking right the velocity spread should go down, maybe,,,,,... I'll find out I have up to 21gr pellets and 21gr slugs in .22. At a much later time, possibly after adding the Bstaley mod and Quickshot Side Lever Breech I'll give the slugs a try and see if they work good through this barrel. But for now I am still trying to find the magic setting sans Bstaley mod and using cheap pellets that I have plenty of, CPUM 14.3gr.

NVak
 
 

[naptemp]

After the BStaley mod I like my .177 Raider so much (for the $120+ price) that I am tempted to buy one in .22.

I can buy a .22 Beeman Raider for less than $130.
The only similarly price PCP is the Crosman 3622.
But the Raider is way better.

[NorCal David]

20°F
Wind from North @ 31 MPH

For three days now it has been cold and stormy out with blowing snow so I have not been able to shoot the Raider....

NVak

Definitely not shooting weather, stay safe.
We had a break in the weather down here , 50F wind 5mph and I sighted in my BugBuster scope, roughly. Will fine tune it when the best pellet comes along and I get a table. It is too early to give statistics, but the big surprise was a 5 shot group of .25 caliber H&N Baracuda Green 19.91gr at 20 yards sitting unsupported came in under an inch. Not bad for greens. Will need to replicate that a few times to be sure. It certainly is nice using a scope. Need to adjust the hammer spring more to eliminate the bounce. Hope to shoot a bit tomorrow. Take care.

[Blowpipe Sam]

After two days of hunting, carrying the gun up and down sandhills, through swamps,  thickets, and over log piles, then bouncing over about a hundred miles of secondary roads in my pick-up.  The thirty yard zero was still holding with a slight bias to the left.  This morning I got down in the riverbed.  Thirty feet of vertical bank and eighty feet of trees above me.  There was NO wind moving down where I was.  I sighted in on a snag 75 yards away from a solid brace on a log.  The first shot was six inches to the left.  I cranked on twelve clicks of right azimuth.  The second shot was a little right of the target.  I backed off two clicks and shot again.  Bullseye!  Three more 20gr H&N FTT hit the same spot in short order.

I don't think the wandering zero is cured but the intrinsic accuracy of the platform is apparent.  I'm starting to suspect that the synthetic receiver may not be stable enough to support a heavy optic.  A red-dot might work but I loathe red-dots because they are so imprecise.  A Bugbuster or some other compact scope might work.  I'm going to persevere with the outfit I've got since it seems slightly more robust than the setup I had on here before.  If I haven't cured the problem in a week or so I'm going to have to part with the Raider.  My guns are for hunting.  If it isn't accurate it's got to go.

[Back_Roads]

 Looking at the setup they provide, I think a 11mm to weaver cantilever , if it clears the mag, would be a good solid mounting option.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/314028998195?
 This could be another option just to get more purchase and reinforcement to the 11mm rail.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266249693342?

[Blowpipe Sam]

Looking at the setup they provide, I think a 11mm to weaver cantilever , if it clears the mag, would be a good solid mounting option.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/314028998195?
 This could be another option just to get more purchase and reinforcement to the 11mm rail.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266249693342?

I thought so too!  No Bueno.  I’m on my second scope and third set of rings for this gun.  I can zero it and it will shoot beautifully for as many mags as I care to run through it.  Carry it through the woods for a few ours then transport it via pick-up truck over washboard roads and it drifts off to the right or the left.  Leads me to believe the synthetic receiver is inadequately staked to the tube.

[naptemp]

It's not the synthetic receiver.
Many of my airguns with a metal receiver will lose zero without doing anything special to them.

If you want to not lose zero in those field/hunting conditions you will have to use open sights or small scopes.

I am not sure which airgun setup would not lose zero in the conditions you described.

[Blowpipe Sam]

It's not the synthetic receiver.
Many of my airguns with a metal receiver will lose zero without doing anything special to them.

If you want to not lose zero in those field/hunting conditions you will have to use open sights or small scopes.

I am not sure which airgun setup would not lose zero in the conditions you described.

I have not re-zeroed my principal hunting gun, a Sears Roebuck Model 126 19300 (1967 Crosman 1st model 1400) in three years of hunting the Apalachicola national forest.  Nor have I had to re-zero my Hatsan mod 95 which is my go-to springer when the leaves are off the trees.  My XS60C holds zero perfectly under these conditions and this is the gun I pirated the first scope and rings combo that failed on the Raider off of. I carry all my guns in soft cases on the back seat of an extra cab pick-up.  I've never had any trouble before with guns not holding zero.

Possibly the screws securing the (plastic) receiver to the tube are not tight enough.  I'm not going to start over tightening screws until I've had an opportunity to read a service manual or talk to a Beeman rep.  I have made inquiries on other airgun forums to see if anyone else is experiencing wandering zero issues.  No response yet.

I'm hoping that today's issues were the result of a sloppy zero at 20 yards becoming much more apparent at 75.

[JimT66]

Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.

[naptemp]

Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.

The barrel is threaded 1/2-20 which is more than many airguns will give you.
I removed the fake shroud parts, the front sight and used my own moderator.
My moderator combined with the BStaley mod makes it quiet.

[naptemp]

Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.

The 18 grain pellets are usually .22 caliber.
Do you have a .22 or a .25 Beeman Raider?

[JimT66]

Got to shoot my Raider .25 today! Before I went out though, I checked my hammer spring, figured that like everyone else, I would need to back it off to prevent the hammer bounce. Guess what? Looks like mine was never hogged down to begin with. So I filled it to 3500 lbs pressure, loaded up 2 mags with 18 grain lead H&N pellets, and hit the squirrel jungle. Ohh, I did mount a 3x9x40 Simmons. Zero was simple at 25 yards. I fired 3 full mags, and ended with pressure at 15,1600lbs pressure remaining. Accuracy was excellent, those H&N's make a good smack hitting my target boxes. Anyway, I was very happy with mine, other than the moderator that don't seem to moderate much of anything, much less noise. Gotta do something bout that. It is definitely a pest buster for sure. I will use it on my tree rats and trash pandas.

The 18 grain pellets are usually .22 caliber.
Do you have a .22 or a .25 Beeman Raider?

Oops, sorry, they are H&N 20.06 grain field pellets! Yes, .25 caliber.

[Nukall856]

 Having a Polymer breech I think it would be good to use a light weight scope also I have found Dovetail- Picatinny mounts work very good on Polymer/Plastic rails or bases having a long surface area to grip the dovetail does help with making it semi solid. Some dove-pic rails do need some work to make them sit level without cant. I have found one mount that does mount level without any modifications.

Low Profile Rail Adaptor 20mm to 11mm ，96mm in Length
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B085MZ7LRF/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A13JILYOJ0Q556&amp;psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07MN2VMK8/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A13JILYOJ0Q556&amp;psc=1&amp;th=1

I have one and it does very good, I do want to add a few more to be mounted on a few of my polymer reciever airguns.

Today's forecast shows a high of 25 °F so if the wind and snow will cooperate I may be able to shoot a shot string through the Chrono later today.

NVak

[naptemp]

Long metal dovetail to picatinny adapters should make the breech more stable for sure.

[Blowpipe Sam]

Good news!  Two more trips to the woods since the last zero and everything is holding.  The proof is in the pot.  I got three squirrels this afternoon in about fifteen minutes.  Two head shots, one boiler room.  Graveyard dead.

I'll post pics on the hunting gate.

[Nukall856]

Blowpipe Sam,
 
  Getting it done with the .25 Raider. Very Good News that your zero is holding.
Excellent Work Blowpipe Sam
Stay Alert

NVak

[NorCal David]

Good news indeed. I have some nice pic rings so I ordered the adapter and will try that with one of my scopes.
Good luck on your squirrel hunting!

[JimT66]

Who should I go to for a more quiet moderator for my .25? This factory one is near useless.