Looking for 22 cal pump pistol

[lillysdad621]

 22 long rifle

22 short works better. less friction.

[benj397]

If you are using it as a guide which I assume is to keep the spring straight, why is a shorter shell casing better? 

And does anyone know if the LPA MIM rear sight work on the Baker Airgun Aluminum breech?  I'm not liking the plastic one and don't think I'd like to add 2 pounds to the gun for the steel one.  I probably could live with the current rear sight but would like an option down the road should I desire.  I've never used or seen a red dot "scope".  Do they mount behind the bolt or in front?  Anyone have one they might recommend should I go with an aluminum breech?

Probably getting way ahead of myself since I've only had the gun a day.   

[Thor760]

Not sure about the aluminum breach options.  I was also concerned about the steel breach option with weight, but I went ahead and installed the Crosman steel breach kit.  Honestly I didn’t notice a big difference. 
As far as Red Dot Sights go, I recently asked a lot of questions on this forum and got great help.  Went with a Pinty Open Reflex 2 MOA sight.  It mounts forward of the bolt.  I had to also pick up a Picatinny to dovetail/11mm adapter to allow the mounting of the Red Dot.  Great fit and a joy to shoot.

If you are still not happy with the spring, others have picked up lighter springs at Ace hardware and even used a small LEGO piece to fit into the top of the spring to act as a guide.  I just searched 1377/1322 light trigger spring on Ebay and found a super light spring that fit and made a significant difference in the pull weight.

Here is the thread I started on my journey into these guns.  It includes pictures of the mounted Red Dot.  Hope it helps.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=215113.0

[lillysdad621]

the spring rides on the casing and it is of a slightly smaller diameter. you are using it to diminish the "floating" part of the spring from the base to the sear. almost as an extension of the bottom peg. use a softer spring too and polish the sears. a couple of washers pn the side of the trigger blade pin will help eliminate torsion, which increases weight,

As far as adding weight with the steel breach. it adds a negligible amount. The original plastic breaches are useable, and they make an almost perfect seal as they can be "torqued " down hard enough to squeeze it over the port.

[markjs]

If you are using it as a guide which I assume is to keep the spring straight, why is a shorter shell casing better? 

And does anyone know if the LPA MIM rear sight work on the Baker Airgun Aluminum breech?  I'm not liking the plastic one and don't think I'd like to add 2 pounds to the gun for the steel one.  I probably could live with the current rear sight but would like an option down the road should I desire.  I've never used or seen a red dot "scope".  Do they mount behind the bolt or in front?  Anyone have one they might recommend should I go with an aluminum breech?

Probably getting way ahead of myself since I've only had the gun a day.   

No, the LPA Mim sight will not fit the Baker breeches. The LPA sight fits in a sideways reverse dovetail slot cut into the back of the Crosman breech. You can however use the plastic breech sights on the Baker breech. Otherwise with the Baker Airguns aluminum breech, the best option I can find is Williams diopter sights that fit 11mm dovetail.

[JPSAXNC]

If your into modifying air guns, new valves new pistons ect. The 1322 can make 12 ft. lbs. on 12 pumps with the stock length barrel.

[benj397]

As far as Red Dot Sights go, I recently asked a lot of questions on this forum and got great help.  Went with a Pinty Open Reflex 2 MOA sight.  It mounts forward of the bolt.  I had to also pick up a Picatinny to dovetail/11mm adapter to allow the mounting of the Red Dot.  Great fit and a joy to shoot.

Some of the reviews say that the "dot" changes when you change reticles causing impact point to shift.  Have you noticed any issues?

No, the LPA Mim sight will not fit the Baker breeches. The LPA sight fits in a sideways reverse dovetail slot cut into the back of the Crosman breech. You can however use the plastic breech sights on the Baker breech. Otherwise with the Baker Airguns aluminum breech, the best option I can find is Williams diopter sights that fit 11mm dovetail.

Aren't all Williams diopter sights actually peep sights?  I think I'd prefer V sights.

So what is the disadvantage to the Baker aluminum breech over the Crosman steel breech?  Is it just not being able to mount the LPA sight? Or are there other disadvantages?

[benj397]

Well, look what I found.   https://www.alliancehobby.com/milledrearsight.htm

Man, this gun is getting expensive.  Going to wait on this upgrade though.  What is the benefit of a steel breech if not needing the dovetails?  Is it because it is sturdier than the plastic and could help with accuracy?

I found out that the steel breech is 6.8 ounces.  Can't find a weight on the Baker aluminum.

[Simplemann]

I've purchased a couple of times from Alliancehobby never had a problem and will purchase from him again in the future. You can spend some $$ on these Crosman multi pumps but IMHO they are worth it.

[Mzq284]

If your into modifying air guns, new valves new pistons ect. The 1322 can make 12 ft. lbs. on 12 pumps with the stock length barrel.

I don't know what 12ft lbs equates to in velocity but these guns have some serious potential.  With the stock barrel mine does 538fps at 10 pumps and 619 at 14 pumps before it starts retainig air. With CPHPs.
I ran the plastic  breech on my 3622 for a month or so,  it's a good setup,  I just wish it were made of aluminum, and the rear sight too. No reason not to dovetail it for scope mounting too. I would gladly pay extra.

[happymecanic]

I don't know what 12ft lbs equates to in velocity...

A 14.3 grains pellet @ 615 fps makes 12.01 ft/lbs.

I use this calculator:  https://www.pyramydair.com/airgun-resources/widgets/convert.php

[benj397]

If your into modifying air guns, new valves new pistons ect. The 1322 can make 12 ft. lbs. on 12 pumps with the stock length barrel.

I don't know what 12ft lbs equates to in velocity but these guns have some serious potential.  With the stock barrel mine does 538fps at 10 pumps and 619 at 14 pumps before it starts retainig air. With CPHPs.
I ran the plastic  breech on my 3622 for a month or so,  it's a good setup,  I just wish it were made of aluminum, and the rear sight too. No reason not to dovetail it for scope mounting too. I would gladly pay extra.

So you have a chronograph?  Sure would like to know the velocity of a 14.3 gr pellet at 3 - 10 pumps.  Do you still have the plastic breech?

[Thor760]

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‘Some of the reviews say that the "dot" changes when you change reticles causing impact point to shift.  Have you noticed any issues?’

I read that as well.  Honestly I set it on the standard red dot and have not flipped around to the other options.

[Mzq284]

If your into modifying air guns, new valves new pistons ect. The 1322 can make 12 ft. lbs. on 12 pumps with the stock length barrel.

I don't know what 12ft lbs equates to in velocity but these guns have some serious potential.  With the stock barrel mine does 538fps at 10 pumps and 619 at 14 pumps before it starts retainig air. With CPHPs.
I ran the plastic  breech on my 3622 for a month or so,  it's a good setup,  I just wish it were made of aluminum, and the rear sight too. No reason not to dovetail it for scope mounting too. I would gladly pay extra.

So you have a chronograph?  Sure would like to know the velocity of a 14.3 gr pellet at 3 - 10 pumps.  Do you still have the plastic breech?

I can chrono it for you if you'd like,  but my gun isn't stock anymore.  I can borrow the daughter's and run it over the chrono. It'll have to wait until tomorrow though,  my honey and I are spending the day enjoying Michigan's thumb with friends on our motorcycles.
No, don't have the plastic breech anymore,  it's a Crosman steel breech. But the breech doesn't affect velocity,  it gives a rock solid place to mount a scope

[lillysdad621]

yeah, this will be the most expensive 50 dollar gun you will ever have. and you will do it multiple times, and 2 to 3 times on each. Its a bad disease... As we speak, i have cut down and i have 2 modded 1322 pistols and 2 modded 1377 carbines. and as i told the wife, yes, they are all necessary.

Dont get me started on the CO2 side of the family... lol

[Matchstickshooter]

I can tell you the Baker breech has two set screws that lock down the barrel, instead of one like on the Crosman.
And with the Baker breech you don't get the rear "plug" at the end of the breech;  the Crosman comes with one.
 
I have a Baker on my 1322 now.


I just have the Crosman plastic on my 1377RC now. But with Buck Rail barrel mounts.



Crosman is now bought out by  Daisy, and already things like the 13xx line (and parts) are becoming obsolete.
 Hurried and got the 1322 while I could still find one.

[benj397]

I can chrono it for you if you'd like,  but my gun isn't stock anymore.  I can borrow the daughter's and run it over the chrono. It'll have to wait until tomorrow though,  my honey and I are spending the day enjoying Michigan's thumb with friends on our motorcycles.
No, don't have the plastic breech anymore,  it's a Crosman steel breech. But the breech doesn't affect velocity,  it gives a rock solid place to mount a scope

That would be great. Thanks

Crosman is now bought out by  Daisy, and already things like the 13xx line (and parts) are becoming obsolete.
 Hurried and got the 1322 while I could still find one.

So what is Daisy replacing the13XX with?

[Matchstickshooter]

I can chrono it for you if you'd like,  but my gun isn't stock anymore.  I can borrow the daughter's and run it over the chrono. It'll have to wait until tomorrow though,  my honey and I are spending the day enjoying Michigan's thumb with friends on our motorcycles.
No, don't have the plastic breech anymore,  it's a Crosman steel breech. But the breech doesn't affect velocity,  it gives a rock solid place to mount a scope

That would be great. Thanks

Crosman is now bought out by  Daisy, and already things like the 13xx line (and parts) are becoming obsolete.
 Hurried and got the 1322 while I could still find one.

So what is Daisy replacing the13XX with?

unknown...

[lillysdad621]

Daisy did not buy Crosman, Gamo bought both... But crosman seems to say that the factory and guns are still gonna be available, specially popular series.

[Matchstickshooter]

 here you go...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=215534.0