Setting up red dot scope on Crosman 1322

[SniperP]

Just trying to ensure I'm doing the right things to set up my red dot scope. It's securely mounted on the new steel breech I installed a month ago. Since then I zeroed in the red dot on a target about 20 feet away inside my garage. Then tried sniping a few rats that were about 60 feet away. They all jumped high in the air and took off but not sure if I hit them or just startled them. My question is after sighting it on the target 20 feet away, was the additional distance to real targets too far for the red dot? The dot was on the rats but wondered if I should re-sight the scope to let's say 50 feet then call it a day? I've seen some rats within 20 feet while most are at 50+ feet. Any advice or steps to follow in sighting the gun would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[Rick67]

I used to hunt rats with a red dot sighted 1377 but would do simulations at various distances.

The number of pumps also remained constant.

It also helps if your dot size is at least 3 MOA.

[SniperP]

Thanks Rick. My scope is 3-4 MOA and I'm guessing practice at various distances is the key to accuracy? So if my scope is sighted to 20 feet would I need to place the dot slightly higher on the target depending on range? The range marks on a real scope helps to adjust for distance but for a red dot, would aiming lets say one dot above the target suffice for a distance of 40 feet? Sorry if my question seems odd, but I'm still learning about this scope.

[Back_Roads]

 Make the bottom of the dot the 20 foot aim, top of the dot 50 foot aim or there about, varying number of pumps would also be a consideration, 3 or so for 20 ft, range that out to your longest targets.

[ray1377]

Just trying to ensure I'm doing the right things to set up my red dot scope. It's securely mounted on the new steel breech I installed a month ago. Since then I zeroed in the red dot on a target about 20 feet away inside my garage. Then tried sniping a few rats that were about 60 feet away. They all jumped high in the air and took off but not sure if I hit them or just startled them. My question is after sighting it on the target 20 feet away, was the additional distance to real targets too far for the red dot? The dot was on the rats but wondered if I should re-sight the scope to let's say 50 feet then call it a day? I've seen some rats within 20 feet while most are at 50+ feet. Any advice or steps to follow in sighting the gun would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance.

You have found out the hard way about "zero" distance with a red dot. Unless you have the kind of red dot that has adjustable recticles, like dot, cross-hair, etc. Then when you zero the airgun with the dot at a certain range it is ONLY going to be accurate at THAT exact range everytime you shoot it. And since it's on a 1322 which is a pump gun, that means you'll need to pick a certain number of pumps to shoot from each time especially when setting up the red dot. More pumps means more power or faster FPS, which means the gun will shoot harder or faster with 10 pumps than it will at say 5 pumps.  That will cause your point of impact to change just by varying the power level with the number of pumps you put in it. I have heard of some adjusting there aim point with the number of pumps. Sounds weird, but they site the airgun in with 10 pumps and when they need to shoot "low" they just don't pump it to 10. I'm probably making it sound much harder than it really is. For best results, know the range at which your quarry is that your wanting to shoot. Pump the gun to 10 for each shot every time. And sight in the red dot with 10 pumps in the gun at that range you deem necessary to hit your intended target at the known distance your shooting at. It all boils down to keeping things constant. That's what happens when you shoot with 10 pumps in the gun every time and always shoot at that same "known" distance. That's the best way to keep your grouping tight. Hope this helps.
Ray

[Rick67]

Both gents are right.

Although the RD made me harvest vermin with ease, I eventually replaced it with a fixed power 4x AO mildot UTG with an attached red module flashlight.

It has a UK Neil silencer and a custom CNC plug, so the barrel is floating.

[SniperP]

Make the bottom of the dot the 20 foot aim, top of the dot 50 foot aim or there about, varying number of pumps would also be a consideration, 3 or so for 20 ft, range that out to your longest targets.

That makes sense and is something worth trying for sure. By the way, that is some weapon you're holding!!

[SniperP]

Both gents are right.

Although the RD made me harvest vermin with ease, I eventually replaced it with a fixed power 4x AO mildot UTG with an attached red module flashlight.

It has a UK Neil silencer and a custom CNC plug, so the barrel is floating.

Holy moly that looks like an evil gun!!

[SniperP]

So here goes some more of my logical (or illogical thnking), if someone sets up their RD for 50 yards and then aim at a target 100 yars away, should they aim 1 inch higher? So if I dial mine it at 25 feet and have a rat at 50 feet, aiming above the bugger should put me on target?

[Rick67]

Thanks.

I left them (the 2 other items are custom .55 caliber blowguns) in the Philippines though.

Yes, you're supposed to do hold-over (aka aim high), or use the imaginary markings below the center for longer shots.

To reiterate, it's best you simulate and keep your number of pumps constant.

Very close shots (5 feet or within stomping reach), which I have done occasionally as I used to hunt in a public market place at night, would require you hold-over shots or to aim high again----odd but true.

I think I did an inch of aiming on top of the rat's outline to hit it dead center.

[SniperP]

Thanks.

I left them (the 2 other items are custom .55 caliber blowguns) in the Philippines though.

Yes, you're supposed to do hold-over (aka aim high), or use the imaginary markings below the center for longer shots.

To reiterate, it's best you simulate and keep your number of pumps constant.

Very close shots (5 feet or within stomping reach), which I have done occasionally as I used to hunt in a public market place at night, would require you hold-over shots or to aim high again----odd but true.

I think I did an inch of aiming on top of the rat's outline to hit it dead center.

Thanks for all this great info. I'm limited at zeroing the RD to the length of my garage as I live in a subdivision where too me shooting might attract unwanted attention. I tried going outside once to zero it at 40 feet but then the neighbours came out to do yardwork so I retreated. The actual rat time is dusk and that allows me to try a couple of shots whith some success but I want to improve my record to confirm kills every time.
So aiming high for long shots also applies to close ones?...you're right that is weird. Why did you leave 2 guns in the Philippines? Difficult to bring into the country?

[Rick67]

Yes, sir, I had to leave all my stuff behind.

Personally, I would not want a RD for rats at longer distances as they are a fidgety bunch.

Oh, I did make two 13xx guns when I came to the US.

[ray1377]

So here goes some more of my logical (or illogical thnking), if someone sets up their RD for 50 yards and then aim at a target 100 yars away, should they aim 1 inch higher? So if I dial mine it at 25 feet and have a rat at 50 feet, aiming above the bugger should put me on target?

This would be hard to answer given your shooting a pumper. I might suggest pumping the gun each time to a predetermined number, let's say 8 pumps. Then get a piece of cardboard and draw a thick black line with a sharpie marker at least 1/4 inch or up to 1/2 inch wide going across the center of the cardboard from left to right. Get out a known certain distance, let's say 10 yards and shoot your RD and adjust until you can hit that line at that distance. Then back up to 20 yards and shoot at the same black line with the same 8 pumps and be sure and aim dead on. Then you should see if your gun is dropping or raising at that distance and it will give you an idea of "holdover" or "hold-under".
Ray

[SniperP]

Yes, sir, I had to leave all my stuff behind.

Personally, I would not want a RD for rats at longer distances as they are a fidgety bunch.

Oh, I did make two 13xx guns when I came to the US.

Your weaponry is awesome my man!

[SniperP]

So here goes some more of my logical (or illogical thnking), if someone sets up their RD for 50 yards and then aim at a target 100 yars away, should they aim 1 inch higher? So if I dial mine it at 25 feet and have a rat at 50 feet, aiming above the bugger should put me on target?

This would be hard to answer given your shooting a pumper. I might suggest pumping the gun each time to a predetermined number, let's say 8 pumps. Then get a piece of cardboard and draw a thick black line with a sharpie marker at least 1/4 inch or up to 1/2 inch wide going across the center of the cardboard from left to right. Get out a known certain distance, let's say 10 yards and shoot your RD and adjust until you can hit that line at that distance. Then back up to 20 yards and shoot at the same black line with the same 8 pumps and be sure and aim dead on. Then you should see if your gun is dropping or raising at that distance and it will give you an idea of "holdover" or "hold-under".
Ray

I'm always using a 6 pump method. I like your idea on a 10 yard setting then back up another 10 yards to check what the pellet does at that range.

[Back_Roads]

 The Chairgun Pro APP can be used if a known FPS is available. It can still be used as a learning tool on how pellets fly
https://us.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun-and-x-act-end-of-life.html Scroll down on the lower right there are download choices for your OS.

[tennx]

 Two questions ,first  whats a red dot scope and what does it look like…2nd…is a red dot anything and 1322 the right tools for killing anything at distance..inquiring minds would likes to know ( as he scratches his head)…good luck

[Back_Roads]

 I use red dots 20 yards and in, I prefer 2 moa or smaller

[ray1377]

I use red dots 20 yards and in, I prefer 2 moa or smaller

For sure man. Anything over 3 MOA and your dot will completely hide your bullseye on most printed targets out at 20 + yards or more.
Ray

[Back_Roads]

I use red dots 20 yards and in, I prefer 2 moa or smaller

For sure man. Anything over 3 MOA and your dot will completely hide your bullseye on most printed targets out at 20 + yards or more.
Ray

I use the apex or top of the dot as a finer aimpoint for ranges past point blank.