We all love German springers, but...

[splitbeing]

That pellet test pass is incredible.

Regarding the various German springers, which have passed the pellet test?

Did the passing of the pellet test(s) influence your preference for one brand of German springer over snother?

[SpiralGroove]

That pellet test pass is incredible.

Regarding the various German springers, which have passed the pellet test?

Did the passing of the pellet test(s) influence your preference for one brand of German springer over snother?

You lost me Split,
What is the Pellet Test you're referring to ?

What I've found ............ that on average Weihrauch makes nice shooting barrels in .177 and especially .20 calibers.
.22 caliber has been literally hit and miss for me (before I got a good one) .... with barrels being too loose, not having good command of the pellet.

[Sqwirl57]

That pellet test pass is incredible.

Regarding the various German springers, which have passed the pellet test?

Did the passing of the pellet test(s) influence your preference for one brand of German springer over snother?

You lost me Split,
What is the Pellet Test you're referring to ?

What I've found ............ that on average Weihrauch makes nice shooting barrels in .177 and especially .20 calibers.
.22 caliber has been literally hit and miss for me (before I got a good one) .... with barrels being too loose, not having good command of the pellet.

I think they are referring to shooting the gun with a pellet sitting on the tube?

[SpiralGroove]

That pellet test pass is incredible.

Regarding the various German springers, which have passed the pellet test?

Did the passing of the pellet test(s) influence your preference for one brand of German springer over snother?

Never heard of the Pellet Test until now .
Not sure this would make a difference for me.  Is this test done right-out-of-the-box or after a tune?

The only reference I have for Air Arms is the .177 caliber Pro-Sport I purchased by back in 2017.  All I know is that when I tuned it after about 50 shots, it was discovered the buttons on the sliding compression tube had been incorrectly sanded down/shaved off - were essentially below the cylinder level, providing zero centering/taming during the shot cycle.

Even though I had voided the warranty by opening up the gun, the error/ pics I emailed Pyramyd Air, were so bad, they sent me a new sliding cylinder without question.
I guess this gun may not have passed the pellet test?

Anyway, long story short ........ all manufacturers have problems with internals, not just HW or Diana ....... no matter what the gun costs.
After tuning, while the gun was a fine shooter, I didn't like it's cocking arm (which pulled out of the same compression chamber) or the balance/weight/fiddlyness of the gun and sold it.

Hence, in the larger picture .......... IMO, passing the pellet test is a somewhat minor point concerning the acceptability of a Springer.

- Now this is just my take and everyone's mileage may differ.  I also, purchased a AA TX200 HC and returned it because it felt felt like a 4x4 in my hands.
It may have passed the Pellet Test, but I never got that far and returned it within 30 days.  Further, it had a poor Walnut stock and it's bling wasn't worth $700. 

[splitbeing]

Hoosierdaddy brought it up with reference to the OC HW 98 he has. He stands a pellet on the turret of the scope, shoots the gun, and the pellet is still on the turret standing up.

The video of the tx200 above is a non turret example.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Yes, The pellet sitting on the scopes elevation turret stays when the shot is fired showing a smooth recoil.

[north country gal]

Tried that test with the FWB Sport, this morning. The Sport didn't shoot any better. Still looking for the pellet.

[SpiralGroove]

Tried that test with the FWB Sport, this morning. The Sport didn't shoot any better. Still looking for the pellet.

Yeah Joanie,
The most important factor relating to the "Pellet Test" is how the SHOOTER handles the recoil of any given gun .
I bet you can out shoot most folks with your FWB Sport, where their gun passes said "Test".

My .20 cal. HW80S has a significant recoil, a pellet from a "Pellet Test" would be thrown a couple of feet .
However, it's my most accurate gun - enough said .

On the plus side, a gun passing the "Pellet Test" should reduce the need for the shooter to counter recoil. 
Also, I believe most Springers passing the pellet test are around 12 FPE or less.  Maybe the D54 and D56 can pass at their higher power levels - IDK.

[north country gal]

Thanks, Kirk. I agree, accuracy comes first. Yeah, pretty sure my HW30 can pass the test, though.

[Mark 611]

As I have said in the past, the smaller the tube the smoother and tighter the groups, power comes with a price! not matter the gun! Dianas fair no better with the pellet test, unless their de tuned down to nothing, even than the bigger power plant guns will not pass this test! too much movement! like a big you know!

[SpiralGroove]

As I have said in the past, the smaller the tube the smoother and tighter the groups, power comes with a price! not matter the gun! Dianas fair no better with the pellet test, unless their de tuned down to nothing, even than the bigger power plant guns will not pass this test! too much movement! like a big you know!

Yoda, curious readers want to know what you're referring to ?

[Mark 611]

The Pellet test! shot cycle. smooth power like HOOSER is describing

[Sqwirl57]

We need a new pellet test. Who's gun can throw a pellet the furthest and hold an inch at 50?

[splitbeing]

We need a new pellet test. Who's gun can throw a pellet the furthest and hold an inch at 50?

Put a pellet on the turret and shoot then see where the pellet lands. Put a bucket there. Shoot a tight group with all turret pellets landing in the bucket. The pellet bucket test.

Identify German springers that can do this and you got your German springer bucket list.

[HectorMedina]

I have often wondered if a Magnum .20 cal would have an advantage over a .177
I see the advantage for sure in .22 because you can run heavier, more aerodynamic pellets up against the 900 fps mark.
And it seems like the 11+ to 15+ grain .20 pellets would work very well in the 800-900 fps range.  Possibly optimizing the pellet weight & BC combo vs velocity generated by magnum springers.

I have considered rebarreling my spare Parrus, but my curriousity is "little", expected cost "lots"....

In a Springer, a .20 caliber HW80 cannot be beat for precision accuracy out to 80+ yards.
I would like to see how a .20 cal. D54 or D56 would compare ............... it's likely their heavier mass/lower recoil would give them the edge.

This is Steve Herr's "Guest Blog" about a 20 cal D54 and the excellent job he did with the platform:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-020-cal-diana-54-project

Hope you enjoy!






HM

[SpiralGroove]

I have often wondered if a Magnum .20 cal would have an advantage over a .177
I see the advantage for sure in .22 because you can run heavier, more aerodynamic pellets up against the 900 fps mark.
And it seems like the 11+ to 15+ grain .20 pellets would work very well in the 800-900 fps range.  Possibly optimizing the pellet weight & BC combo vs velocity generated by magnum springers.

I have considered rebarreling my spare Parrus, but my curriousity is "little", expected cost "lots"....

In a Springer, a .20 caliber HW80 cannot be beat for precision accuracy out to 80+ yards.
I would like to see how a .20 cal. D54 or D56 would compare ............... it's likely their heavier mass/lower recoil would give them the edge.

This is Steve Herr's "Guest Blog" about a 20 cal D54 and the excellent job he did with the platform:

https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-020-cal-diana-54-project

Hope you enjoy! HM

Smart Guy ........... Excellent skills and very good understanding of how the D54 works.
I don't think I would never have the patience to do that .... unless I was a bachelor (and got real compulsive).

[Ike the GSD]

This thread should be re titled "We're all obsessed with German Springers " LOL! 16 pages guys Holy Cow 👀😜

[Yogi]

This thread should be re titled "We're all obsessed with German Springers " LOL! 16 pages guys Holy Cow 👀😜

Amen, perhaps obsessed to much?

Kirk, your double negative indicates that yes you too could be that anal.

-Y

[SpiralGroove]

This thread should be re titled "We're all obsessed with German Springers " LOL! 16 pages guys Holy Cow 👀😜

Amen, perhaps obsessed to much?

Kirk, your double negative indicates that yes you too could be that anal.  
-Y

Yeah Y,
My biggest problem with many posts is I change them mid-post and forget to remove words or a change of tenses from the original lingo.

Hence, my original post was "I would never have the patience to do that .... "
Then changed it to - "I don't think I would never have the patience to do that ......
Then I thought of conditions where in the past I could have done it and changed it to and added -" unless I was a bachelor (and got real compulsive)."

So yes, my grammar, tenses and often spelling - never instead of ever, often causes me little problems.

However, still ..... Excellent Work in often done by those that are somewhat (or completely) anal or meticulous.
Not settling for less is why we love the German Springers .
 

[Kragman1]

I'm not obsessed, I'm "Uber Aware"...