Quote from: north country gal on January 19, 2024, 03:07:27 PMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 19, 2024, 02:09:46 PMThe stock on an HW-98 has timeless beauty I think so, too, given my target shooting background. I'm very much a form follows function type of shooter and very much appreciate stocks designed for specific types of shooting. In that respect, the 98 stock is a classic. It's still one of the HW break barrels I've yet to own, though. Since everyone seems to be taking inventory, I'm now at 13 springers, 8 being HWs, 2 being FWB Sports, with a few mint oldies, those being a late 80s RWS 45, a Slavia (CZ) 613 and the rare bird of the group, a Benjamin Sterling HR81 under lever, this being Benjamin's attempt to get into the serious springer game just prior to being bought out by Ctosman. That's down quite a few, though, since I've sold off most of the under levers due to weight and my preference for break barrels. At one time, though, I owned all three models of the AA under levers. Fine, fine springers, but just too massive for my tastes. Little too ornate, as well.Inventory, hmmm, how about favorites? My Henry can literally put 3 in the same hole at 25 yards with a scope on it but it's pretty low on my favorites list. The 1934 Winchester model 67 has a 28" barrel, no scope, no rails for a scope, sloppy bolt, but a very nice, small front bead sight, points like a dream, likes colibri's (!) and fires them so quietly hitting the target is louder than the report. And, it's a very well balanced rifle.2nd fav gotta be the Daisy 880 with no-name 4X scope.Which one of those 13 is your favorite?
Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 19, 2024, 02:09:46 PMThe stock on an HW-98 has timeless beauty I think so, too, given my target shooting background. I'm very much a form follows function type of shooter and very much appreciate stocks designed for specific types of shooting. In that respect, the 98 stock is a classic. It's still one of the HW break barrels I've yet to own, though. Since everyone seems to be taking inventory, I'm now at 13 springers, 8 being HWs, 2 being FWB Sports, with a few mint oldies, those being a late 80s RWS 45, a Slavia (CZ) 613 and the rare bird of the group, a Benjamin Sterling HR81 under lever, this being Benjamin's attempt to get into the serious springer game just prior to being bought out by Ctosman. That's down quite a few, though, since I've sold off most of the under levers due to weight and my preference for break barrels. At one time, though, I owned all three models of the AA under levers. Fine, fine springers, but just too massive for my tastes. Little too ornate, as well.
The stock on an HW-98 has timeless beauty
Quote from: Methuselah on January 19, 2024, 08:07:03 PMQuote from: north country gal on January 19, 2024, 03:07:27 PMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 19, 2024, 02:09:46 PMThe stock on an HW-98 has timeless beauty I think so, too, given my target shooting background. I'm very much a form follows function type of shooter and very much appreciate stocks designed for specific types of shooting. In that respect, the 98 stock is a classic. It's still one of the HW break barrels I've yet to own, though. Since everyone seems to be taking inventory, I'm now at 13 springers, 8 being HWs, 2 being FWB Sports, with a few mint oldies, those being a late 80s RWS 45, a Slavia (CZ) 613 and the rare bird of the group, a Benjamin Sterling HR81 under lever, this being Benjamin's attempt to get into the serious springer game just prior to being bought out by Ctosman. That's down quite a few, though, since I've sold off most of the under levers due to weight and my preference for break barrels. At one time, though, I owned all three models of the AA under levers. Fine, fine springers, but just too massive for my tastes. Little too ornate, as well.Inventory, hmmm, how about favorites? My Henry can literally put 3 in the same hole at 25 yards with a scope on it but it's pretty low on my favorites list. The 1934 Winchester model 67 has a 28" barrel, no scope, no rails for a scope, sloppy bolt, but a very nice, small front bead sight, points like a dream, likes colibri's (!) and fires them so quietly hitting the target is louder than the report. And, it's a very well balanced rifle.2nd fav gotta be the Daisy 880 with no-name 4X scope.Which one of those 13 is your favorite?I shoot the HW30, HW50the most, so I could make a case for them being my favorites, but when it comes to accuracy, the FWB Sport is still one of my go to AGs.
Funny that, almost ordered an HW30s today, was a tie between that and XS60C..
I'll say it again...FWB Baby!Make you throw rocks at HW and Diana.
Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 11:42:06 AMI'll say it again...FWB Baby!Make you throw rocks at HW and Diana.Aren't they pricy Scott?
I haven't posted much with this thread, but I have been following it every day. To say the least, it has been interesting and at times, very informative. Thank-you, gentlemen. I spent part of my working career in sales and marketing, so I do understand some of the excellent comments on the marketing and business aspects of this conversation. I agree that as markets go, we German springer fans are a tiny, though loyal and active, subset of the overall air gun market. To be sure, in our enthusiasm and love of shooting these high end springers, some of us lose a little of this perspective at times. I certainly do, because I seldom visit other gates on this forum, even though I shoot and own all types of air guns. In particular, I also shoot PCPs, everything from the very basic and affordable all the way up to the very expensive and sophisticated stuff. As amazing as the PCPs are, especially my high end Daystate and Steyr PCPs, my bread and butter every day shooting is still mostly the German springers. Nevertheless, I do pull out my old bare bones basic and simple Benjamin Discovery PCP a couple times a year, pump it up for the 20 shots it gives me, shoot it out there at 50 yards and then sit back and contemplate how the $150 I spent to get this old and now very dated PCP, pump and all, can deliver such remarkable performance. I may even go on the PCP Gate a few times in the following days out of curiosity. When I do, it's almost as if I've landed on a different planet. What a very different world it is than my familiar and cozy German springer gate. Ultimately, I go back to my German springers. Never fails. The perspective I get with this little side trip is very healthy, though. It helps to keep me grounded as to where German springers and those of us who love them and shoot them are in the modern air gun world. Doesn't make me love my German springers any less. In fact, it makes me appreciate them all the more for what they are and what they can do in the hands of those of us who love them.Yes, there are differences between HWs, Dianas, Walthers and FWBs. Discuss it, argue it, but in the end, celebrate it. It's a healthy thing for our corner of the air gun world. Fun, too.
I do believe that Weihrauch has made an exceptional offering to us springer folks over the years, and currently parts are abundant with a descent choice of aftermarket currently. I do fear what will happen if / when Vortek or ARH will no longer offer their products.At that point options will be dwindling for those who do not have the capability to machine their own parts.
Quote from: Methuselah on January 20, 2024, 11:46:10 AMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 11:42:06 AMI'll say it again...FWB Baby!Make you throw rocks at HW and Diana.Aren't they pricy Scott?Yes... kinda, but I didn't know that was a prerequisite to the topic.
Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 01:36:19 PMQuote from: Methuselah on January 20, 2024, 11:46:10 AMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 11:42:06 AMI'll say it again...FWB Baby!Make you throw rocks at HW and Diana.Aren't they pricy Scott?Yes... kinda, but I didn't know that was a prerequisite to the topic. Yeah Hoosier,Price really shouldn't be a factor, even though when you start talking AA ..... $1,000 is now part of the narrative (however, they're not German).My Deal Breaker - is that were talking Side Lever again. I know this likely paints me as a "Persnickety, Old Man", but removes it from the Simplicity/Nirvana -> I assign to Break Barrels. Yes, this means I find Under Lever's in violation of the simplicity principal too! Just give me a simple, German Break Barrel .
Quote from: Jason_Garvin on January 19, 2024, 11:52:15 AMI do believe that Weihrauch has made an exceptional offering to us springer folks over the years, and currently parts are abundant with a descent choice of aftermarket currently. I do fear what will happen if / when Vortek or ARH will no longer offer their products.At that point options will be dwindling for those who do not have the capability to machine their own parts. This gets to the heart of the matter. Getting Weihrauchs to shoot as expected requires the use of aftermarket parts, whether custom-fitted or not. My 2018 HW95L .22 cal didn't get any better with 1200+ spent pellets: it was still loud, twangy, jumpy and just unpleasant to use, even if you leave out the fact that one cannot use the factory-supplied open sights due to stock configuration across a range of recent Weihrauchs.My 2018 D48 .22 cal was quite terrible to shoot when new: very loud, shaky, near-violent. After 1200+ pellets it had basically transformed: it was just about as smooth as my V-Mach-equipped D52. The stock afforded the use of open sights or optics, like every other Diana I've ever shot. The gun shot smoothly and very accurately at 22 fpe, which people in the know say no coilspring HW can do, Mark. My 2018 LGV Master Ultra .22 cal was simply exquisite from the get go. So, this is how a high-end springer is like. Weihrauchs and Dianas are like a couple full steps below.Early on, I was stunned to learn my new Weihrauch shot real-life, high-BC pellets a full 100 fps slower than what the manufacturer claims. My Dianas shoot just what the "tin" says with real-life lead, as do my Walther and as I hear the late FWB Sport shot. So, Weihrauch is the only German make who cannot reach the manufacturer's claim. And no, 230m/s / 755 fps isn't hard to reach, and yes, it is a ton better for a field gun than 200m/s / 655 fps.The myopia AND tunnel-vision present upthread, taking a single American airgun retailer's online shop outward appearances as proof that Diana doesn't sell, is quite something to behold. As I said uphtread, there are entire nations on this globe where Dianas are the German springers to have; Weihrauchs get a "who?" response instead, and you have to do some hunting to find one to buy, Kirk.
Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 01:36:19 PMQuote from: Methuselah on January 20, 2024, 11:46:10 AMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 11:42:06 AMI'll say it again...FWB Baby!Make you throw rocks at HW and Diana.Aren't they pricy Scott?Yes... kinda, but I didn't know that was a prerequisite to the topic. Yeah Hoosier,Price really shouldn't be a factor, even though when you start talking AA ..... $1,000 is now part of the narrative (however, they're not German).My Deal Breaker - is that were talking Side Lever again. I know this likely paints me as a "Persnickety, Old Man", but removes it from the Simplicity/Nirvana -> I assign to Break Barrels. Yes, this means I find Under Lever's in violation of the simplicity principal too! Just give me a simple, German Break Barrel[/u] .
Quote from: SpiralGroove on January 20, 2024, 02:23:57 PMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 01:36:19 PMQuote from: Methuselah on January 20, 2024, 11:46:10 AMQuote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 20, 2024, 11:42:06 AMI'll say it again...FWB Baby!Make you throw rocks at HW and Diana.Aren't they pricy Scott?Yes... kinda, but I didn't know that was a prerequisite to the topic. Yeah Hoosier,Price really shouldn't be a factor, even though when you start talking AA ..... $1,000 is now part of the narrative (however, they're not German).My Deal Breaker - is that were talking Side Lever again. I know this likely paints me as a "Persnickety, Old Man", but removes it from the Simplicity/Nirvana -> I assign to Break Barrels. Yes, this means I find Under Lever's in violation of the simplicity principal too! Just give me a simple, German Break Barrel[/u] . So... something like this?
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