We all love German springers, but...

[avator]

Hi Kirk,
I wasn't calling anyone out in particular. It was more of an attempt to cool things off a bit. Too often threads full of good information gets lost because of things going dark. We all want to feel like we made the right choices to accommodate our tastes and needs. Fact of the matter is, yours may be different from mine. Ain't nothing wrong about that.

Brian,
That dog always brings us something... a stick, a rock, a pine cone. Just whatever she happens to see first when she gets the urge. That day she happened to see that empty pellet tin that fell off the shooting bench. Good luck trying to get it away from her until she feels like dropping it.

[AirGunner]

I have two air rifles that will put a tear in my eye when I give them away or sell them. My Weichrauch HW97KT 177 caliber and my HW95 in 22 caliber. The Diana's won't do that. I'll be 77 in a month and have a serious health issue so I probably will departing with those great airrifles in the near future.

[avator]

Sorry to hear that Terry. I'm sure someone is going to enjoy continuing to use them.

[cjtamu]

I have two air rifles that will put a tear in my eye when I give them away or sell them. My Weichrauch HW97KT 177 caliber and my HW95 in 22 caliber. The Diana's won't do that. I'll be 77 in a month and have a serious health issue so I probably will departing with those great airrifles in the near future.

Hate to hear that. Praying for your health. Hopefully you can find them a good home.

[SpiralGroove]

Hi Kirk,
I wasn't calling anyone out in particular. It was more of an attempt to cool things off a bit. Too often threads full of good information gets lost because of things going dark. We all want to feel like we made the right choices to accommodate our tastes and needs. Fact of the matter is, yours may be different from mine. Ain't nothing wrong about that.

Brian,
That dog always brings us something... a stick, a rock, a pine cone. Just whatever she happens to see first when she gets the urge. That day she happened to see that empty pellet tin that fell off the shooting bench. Good luck trying to get it away from her until she feels like dropping it.

Our neighbor's Newfondland always retrieved Boxer Turtles when out in the woods .

[avator]

We put the dogs out when we leave the house unless it's pouring rain or freezing. When we return home Boss greets us every single time with a gift. She is always first to get back in the house when the door is opened and we have to check her to make sure she is not bringing something in. At least she stopped eating our shoes. 

Sorry for the derail.

[HectorMedina]

Using a single set screw to hold the entire (plastic!) front sight/lever retention unit in place on the barrel of my T06 460 is a joke.  It does not do the job, and no one at M&G should have expected it to.
But it's also an outlier, and I DO appreciate the approach Diana has taken in their product development and and to hokd their prices in a reasonable place.  Good example of how everything in life is a tradeoff.

Again, I am a sample size of one.


ps - I have had problems with my particular 460, but that rifle was a Pyramyd-sold refurb that was never actually refurbed.  It showed up at my door not shooting anywhere near spec due to having 3 or 4 crushed pellets mashed in the workings, and blown seals.
I don't fault the rifle for being first abused by the  previous owner, then neglected by whoever "refurbed" it.  I kept it because I'd like to own a good 460 and I'm willing to deal with the problems.  Someday down the road, it will be a sweet rifle.  But it will also need fat pellets because lesser pellets drop out of the breech.
That and the front sight unit have really taken away from my appreciation of that model, which is a shame.

I am sorry that you have had to go through that, apologies on behalf of PA because I know they are mostly serious people.

About the screw that holds the front sight unit in place, I beg to differ.
That screw should be an extended tip screw; and is designed to go into a groove cut into the barrel. If yours does not have a groove, then we need to talk privately, and with some photos, we can probably get DIANA to exchange the gun. It is simply out of production specs and should be returned to the plant so that they pay more attention to these things.
The interference fit created by the protrusion of the screw into the groove is quite strong and will resist any tune in the 460 within the 25 ft-lbs max that is determined by the closing pins at the rear of the actions.

About the leade/chamber, the specs were drawn for the RWS pellets, which are all "fat headed". It was, and IS, a mistake. I've had rather "energetical" discussions with the technical CEO, and I have gotten nowhere. So, yes, that is a big issue because DIANA does not want to listen.
Now, it does not mean you cannot correct it. One of the advantages of the DIANA design is that you can shave ½ mm off the breech face and the sliding compression chamber will seal well. You can do that with a muzzle crowning tool (Brownell's) in an extension drive.
If you need help with that, just let me know.

I specifically avoided to try to make my comment an "HW vs DIANA" thread because IMHO they are so different as to not warrant comparison. It was also the reason why I chose Bugatti and McLaren and Lotus. To the casual observer they may seem similar or even equivalent, to the knowledgeable user they are very different.

In any case, let me know if you need help with that 460.

Keep well and shoot straight!





HM

[SpiralGroove]

I specifically avoided to try to make my comment an "HW vs DIANA" thread because IMHO they are so different as to not warrant comparison. It was also the reason why I chose Bugatti and McLaren and Lotus. To the casual observer they may seem similar or even equivalent, to the knowledgeable user they are very different.

Keep well and shoot straight! 
HM

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

[Yogi]

I specifically avoided to try to make my comment an "HW vs DIANA" thread because IMHO they are so different as to not warrant comparison. It was also the reason why I chose Bugatti and McLaren and Lotus. To the casual observer they may seem similar or even equivalent, to the knowledgeable user they are very different.

Keep well and shoot straight! 
HM

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

I'd take a GT40 over a Ferrari 330 P3 anyday.  Not a Pinto vs a Dino...

-Yogi

Look the money for all these companies are PCP's.  I bet Weihrauch sells 3 times as many PCP's as springers.  At higher prices too.  FWB, SIG, Walther all left the market.  We are lucky we get anything....

[Crowman]

To me it’s black and white. I’ve been involved for only 5 yrs. Nothing close to many of you. I don’t have even close the knowledge some of you have on airguns. I do know quality when I see it and use it. I’ve collected quite an arsenal in a few years. I have all the current models in the big 3 except for the HW57. Last winter I changed 15 spring sets and will do about the same this winter. I’ve gotten awesome support from different members which I appreciate to the nth degree.
Currently I think Air Arms is best, quality drips off these guns, not German, but worthy. Not my favorite.
 I would have to go with Weihrauch next. Working on them was straight forward, and rewarding.
Diana 3rd as far as quality, goes, plastic. So sad, so close. Have 2-460’s, the front sights look like Cracker Jack designed them. Then on my K98, a 460, nice front sight, which I’m deadly on. Go figure.
I’m totally impressed with the accuracy of the Diana’s, which deliver the hardest blow of all. Bragging rights for sure.
I noticed on my 34, 350 and 460 premium have the steel breach.👍 Looks like a gun, keep going.
Personally I would prefer to pay a little more and ditch all the plastic.
Then in my eyes, Diana would be more of a contender.
The Diana’s are the newest of mine. My only rifle that broke down was a 460 premium. Older gun, bought second hand. Broke a spring. Replaced. Then same gun cocking arm, missing gusset broke. Winter job, soon.
I’ve never worked on my LGU or FWB 124 sports. My suspicion both these with give the others a run for the money. My LGU is amazing. I have a Rowan trigger and a spring going in. The Sport the only gun I have 2 identical. FWB is in a league of their own. The 300s is sweet as well the 65 pistol.
The LGV is in my sights. I actually e-mailed Walter’s and begged them to bring them back.
My opinion. Crow
 

[Kragman1]

Just bought a lightly used HW30 in .177, and it is a sweetheart. 
One more "check" for HW. 
It will be fun to compare with my .22 cal D27 down the road.

[HectorMedina]

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

Would you be so kind as to point me to the source of that info?

Thanks!



HM

[853_okg]

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.
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The irony here is Ford sells more vehicles than Ferrari.

[triggerfest]

I specifically avoided to try to make my comment an "HW vs DIANA" thread because IMHO they are so different as to not warrant comparison. It was also the reason why I chose Bugatti and McLaren and Lotus. To the casual observer they may seem similar or even equivalent, to the knowledgeable user they are very different.

Keep well and shoot straight! 
HM

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

HW is more like a Volkswagen dude 

[SpiralGroove]

I specifically avoided to try to make my comment an "HW vs DIANA" thread because IMHO they are so different as to not warrant comparison. It was also the reason why I chose Bugatti and McLaren and Lotus. To the casual observer they may seem similar or even equivalent, to the knowledgeable user they are very different.

Keep well and shoot straight! 
HM

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

HW is more like a Volkswagen dude 

[SpiralGroove]

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

The irony here is Ford sells more vehicles than Ferrari.

No, the irony (which you may have missed) is the less costly, more powerful Diana is out-sold 3 to 1 by the more expensive Weihrauch .

[HectorMedina]

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

The irony here is Ford sells more vehicles than Ferrari.

No, the irony (which you may have missed) is the less costly, more powerful Diana is out-sold 3 to 1 by the more expensive Weihrauch .

A gentle reminder that I am still waiting for the source of that info.

HM

[SpiralGroove]

I think a closer comparison could be Ford (D) vs. Ferrari (HW).
The irony is HW sell 3x as many a D.

The irony here is Ford sells more vehicles than Ferrari.

No, the irony (which you may have missed) is the less costly, more powerful Diana is out-sold 3 to 1 by the more expensive Weihrauch .

A gentle reminder that I am still waiting for the source of that info.
HM

[Mark 611]

Kirk I'm with you, my friend. I have owned many Dianas and many HW's I only own 1 Diana and have for many yrs, it's my 460mag in .22cal, the only reason I keep it is because of its power! other than that, I would sell it! but it is accurate and not pellet picky, is it in the same solar system in quality as an HW? not even close! sorry guys! I don't care what anybody says! I know what the truth is, I have taken many many of these gun's apart and worked on them and tuned them! their only selling point is their power! That's it! Do I like them yes, would I pick 1 over a HW NO!!!

[Yogi]

Weihrauch do not have a stock that is anywhere near as nice as the stock on my Diana 340 N-tec.
The walnut Hogsback stock is gorgeous!  With the possible exception of a few very special HW stocks from the 80's, theogback wins hands down!!!
I agree that the finish on my 340 N-tec is not as nice as Weihrauch's.  But Weihrauch's blueing in pretty lame compared to either FWB or Air Arms beautiful black finish.

-Yogi