vortex upgrade

[GaryG]

It's time to have my R7 resealed....is the Vortex up grade worthwhile?

Thanks

[Roadworthy]

You're asking opinions.  I prefer Maccari (Air Rifle Headquarters) seals over Vortex.  If you're asking about a spring kit I prefer Maccari with their internal spring guide to Vortex with the external guide.  That is a personal opinion but you'll surely get more.

[Bayman]

Maccari spring kit. It's a simpler design with less problems.

Vortek piston seal. They don't need to be sized and are very durable. The Macarri seals need to be sized which is a total pita. Even sized properly they won't make the same power as the Vortek seal once it's broken in.

[Toxylon]

VorteK, VorteK....Vortex is the air ram powerplant by Hatsan.

[nced]

You're asking opinions.  I prefer Maccari (Air Rifle Headquarters) seals over Vortex.  If you're asking about a spring kit I prefer Maccari with their internal spring guide to Vortex with the external guide.  That is a personal opinion but you'll surely get more.

You're asking opinions.  I prefer Maccari (Air Rifle Headquarters) seals over Vortex.  If you're asking about a spring kit I prefer Maccari with their internal spring guide to Vortex with the external guide.  That is a personal opinion but you'll surely get more.

Same here! I tried an early early Vortek PG2 kit......

It sagged losing over 60 fps from my .177 R9 shooting less than 4,500 shots in 3 month of use. I returned ARH springs but a few years ago I bought this bare spring to test thinking that perhaps the Vortek springs were improved not sagging so quickly. I made up my own a spring kit based on this spring to test.......

It didn't sag as quickly as the PG2 kit but a 7.9 grain CPL still lost about 30fps in one shooting season.

Concerning the Vortek "inner/outer guide concept"............
The outer guide did seem "counter intuitive" to me so I disassembled the sagged PG2 kit and fitted a snug lathe turned Delrin "internal guide", top hat etc without an "outer guide". The R9 was reassembled with the home rolled spring kit and found that the "twang/vibration" was dampened even without an outer guide.

What seemed strange to me concerning the "inner/outer" spring guide scheme was that wile compressing the spring the inside diameter expands and then constricts when released. With a properly sized spring guide the expanding spring coil ID gets smaller gripping a fitted internal spring guide which kills "spring coil oscillation" (twang).

Anywhoo, perhaps the Vortek offerings are better now (haven't tried one in a few years) but the above comments only pertain to the functioning of "inner vs outer" spring guides. 

[Denby95]

I think we should address the root of your question 'is the upgrade worth it' ? What do you expect to get out of it? Are you happy with your gun now?

I've never had a vortek kit, but have purchased many maccari kits including one for an R7, it currently shoots just about right at 8 ft lbs.

[Yogi]

I think we should address the root of your question 'is the upgrade worth it' ? What do you expect to get out of it? Are you happy with your gun now?

I've never had a vortek kit, but have purchased many maccari kits including one for an R7, it currently shoots just about right at 8 ft lbs.

He says that he needs to do a reseal anyway.  Not really an upgrade, more like regular maintenance.

-Y

[Deerstalker]

My suggestion is the Vortek seal with the ARH kit.  17 FPE using FTT 14.66 gr after several thousand shots.

[DonC]

So far in this thread there are 2 guys recommending Vortek seals and one for ARH.
Obviously there will never be agreement. I'm just glad we have 2 choices. I have done business with both products and owners and have found both guys to be excellent businessmen. Since I can't decide, I alternate purchases so both guys get some profit and continue to please us hobbyist consumers.
Merry Christmas

[Yogi]

So far in this thread there are 2 guys recommending Vortek seals and one for ARH.
Obviously there will never be agreement. I'm just glad we have 2 choices. I have done business with both products and owners and have found both guys to be excellent businessmen. Since I can't decide, I alternate purchases so both guys get some profit and continue to please us hobbyist consumers.
Merry Christmas

Hey,
do not forget the Aussie seals.
They are pretty good too.

-Y

[Robert 5mm]

I also am a Aussie seal fan along with ARH springs. I use them in many ( 5 ) HW/Beeman rifles and Beeman P1 pistol.

Ebay and Website for Aussie ( Custom Air Seals )

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163421741196

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153296082189

https://www.customairseals.com/

About the P1 - got an ARH spring and Aussie seal - works good

https://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/8602532.htm

[Bayman]

I also am a Aussie seal fan along with ARH springs. I use them in many ( 5 ) HW/Beeman rifles and Beeman P1 pistol.

Ebay and Website for Aussie ( Custom Air Seals )

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163421741196

https://www.customairseals.com/

I bought a CAS piston seal for my P1. I haven't installed it because I read they reduce power. What's your experience with your P1.
Thanks

[tjk]

Gary, Just my experience, I usually equate the Vortek kits as a power and velocity “upgrade” for springers, but this is not always the case. The JM kits seem to hover closer to the original OEM power ranges as designed for by the manufacturer.  As stated by another poster, it depends on what you are looking to do with your gun. More information would be helpful in offering you more informed options. I would not recommend a Vortek spring with a straight drop in JM seal from my experience. Best to ‘fit’ an OS seal in this case should you  choose to try that route. The Vortek seals are very durable.
Have you tried the TitanXS mainsprings? Some folks including myself have had very good results with them.

[Madd Hatter]

Gary, Just my experience, I usually equate the Vortek kits as a power and velocity “upgrade” for springers, but this is not always the case. The JM kits seem to hover closer to the original OEM power ranges as designed for by the manufacturer.  As stated by another poster, it depends on what you are looking to do with your gun. More information would be helpful in offering you more informed options. I would not recommend a Vortek spring with a straight drop in JM seal from my experience. Best to ‘fit’ an OS seal in this case should you  choose to try that route. The Vortek seals are very durable.
Have you tried the TitanXS mainsprings? Some folks including myself have had very good results with them.

The Titan springs seem to be the only springs that Hector uses.

[SpiralGroove]

It's time to have my R7 resealed....is the Vortex up grade worthwhile?

Thanks

Everyone has chimed in here so ...........

I've never tried the Vortek, but have only heard good things ..........

https://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/2322114.htm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153296082189?hash=item23b128950d:g:RDMAAOSw6yBgM59g&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4NDXUU1MRtAkSSvUfhtnooejeOXd%2Bd6ipgCdOORGfyNHMCTTOBpaK02gO1elTPbo%2B0r%2FCjS2dLG3MTWdOwjW1dj3uQPCeV2FNft1zyOxY2NlUb12yB7Ga%2BDNmdGycYF6CDfR8nwi5iaX%2BIPWs8QwjMNOkz0hgPVduiAPAY3o13AsEcwLD6oyNAF78e39eK0s9Z3Exb320oSamTk8jzrNHIYs6x%2B27oLdGzrB4eZ1rcBbHRNcqlzDJ0DSV52pUUrPwmW7ilhc6wLVtXhMbM8tckBcj1uoW7u27Y5GkwbryKSU%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-7_w-6JYw

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