Which high end bullpup to buy?

[22Talon]

Thanks anti squirrel.  I did read what people posted. When i googled edgun i went to their website., which is different than edgun west my mistake. Utah airguns was mentioned a lot for a place to get edguns when searching but I didnt see the matador listed. Pyramid also only had leshy 2.

You are correct in that the leshy isn't a bullpup but i mentioned it because it seems to be in a lot of posts searching for bullpup reviews and info.

I think i narrowed it down to the leyla or matador on the edgun side. Seem to be same gun except layla is just shorter than the matador regular?

Taipan vet compact is still tempting as its a little cheaper and alwasy seems to have good reviews spanning back decades.

Charely at Georgia airguns gets a lot of praise as well. They sell the zobrai which looks good and he says good things about. But i dont want to cheap out and regret it later trying to save 300 bucks.

Do you know of the .22 compact or leyla would be up to 75-100yds for starlings or pigeons? And would it be easy to put a longer barrel on either models down the road?

[22Talon]

As for fx airguns i seem to see a lot of love but also a lot of problems.  I dont want to get caught up having to tune something that expensive. Looks wise they don't seem to do it for me like the taipans or matador.

Leshy 2 being semi auto is cool but not sure worth the extra thousand  bucks and complexity.

[Dbez1]

I can’t help you with any of the others because when I got my Taipan, I never looked back. I have a Veteran long, one of the ones made in the Ukraine with a CZ barrel, and it is an out-of-the-box accurate rifle. The trigger is awesome!!! After three years of shooting, I have never had to work on it. It’s a 100 yard gun but is on the heavy side. If you do a search re complaints about the Veterans here on GTA, that may educate you as to just how good they really are. Like you, I just want to shoot (accurately), not fiddle with tuning and my Taipan does that quite well. Best wishes on your decision.

[22Talon]

Well i emailed charlie at Georgia airguns and he says he no longer carries the taipan veterans since he cant get parts or even spare magazines. He also says he stopped carrying the zbroia line as well for the same reason.

So that might put a damper on the taipan line.
He did say he carries the crickets still so i might look at them.

Edgun matador from edgun west might be an option still. Though i dont like the idea of having an electric guage and reg on them.

[luge007]

Another possibility maybe.........BRK Ghost.  I personally do not own one (yet) but to my eye, it is very well thoght out and superbly machined.  Every review I have read, and every youtube vid all give it high marks, I have yet to hear a negative about the Ghost, other than possibly it only takes AK style grips, instead of AR grips (if that matters to ya).


My 2 cents and a planned future purchase

[Rick67]

Well i emailed charlie at Georgia airguns and he says he no longer carries the taipan veterans since he cant get parts or even spare magazines. He also says he stopped carrying the zbroia line as well for the same reason.

So that might put a damper on the taipan line.
He did say he carries the crickets still so i might look at them.

Edgun matador from edgun west might be an option still. Though i dont like the idea of having an electric guage and reg on them.

Airguns of Arizona carries KalibrGun and Brocock.

[22Talon]

Thanks ricky.
Charlie seems to be a nice guy and said i could call him and he would help me select a gun for my needs,very nice of him to offer.

He has a special on cricket 2 or the cricket carbines for 1500, which includes his full tune to setup how i want, plus test firing to make sure i get good accuracy and efficient air for the pellets I plan to shoot.

Not sure how the cricket compares to the taipan or edgun, I did like how they have mamy reviews saying how dependable they are and hold their zero well since they are built like a tank and simple design.

[Rick67]

Of course.

It makes sense to support the cottage industry.

[kbstingwing]

Just buy all of them..... you're gonna wind up buying them anyway, take a second mortgage on the house, I'm sure the wife won't mind...... ,

Don't listen to me, I'm not married.....

[PasadenaMike]

Just buy all of them..... you're gonna wind up buying them anyway, take a second mortgage on the house, I'm sure the wife won't mind...... ,

Don't listen to me, I'm not married.....

Haha just get it over with

[22Talon]

If only i had the money to buy them all i probably would. Along with a bunch more fire arms and reloading things.

Id love to have a gun for every job, like people do with tools. Though i wonder what the 10mm wrench equivalent would be I guns? You know thr one you can never find when you need it lol

[Sean]

Well i emailed charlie at Georgia airguns and he says he no longer carries the taipan veterans since he cant get parts or even spare magazines. He also says he stopped carrying the zbroia line as well for the same reason.

So that might put a damper on the taipan line.
He did say he carries the crickets still so i might look at them.

Edgun matador from edgun west might be an option still. Though i dont like the idea of having an electric guage and reg on them.

Edgun west will install a regular pressure gauge at no cost on a lelya or matador. I bought my lelya and Brian told me they don't use the digital gauges anymore.

[PasadenaMike]

Well i emailed charlie at Georgia airguns and he says he no longer carries the taipan veterans since he cant get parts or even spare magazines. He also says he stopped carrying the zbroia line as well for the same reason.

So that might put a damper on the taipan line.
He did say he carries the crickets still so i might look at them.

Edgun matador from edgun west might be an option still. Though i dont like the idea of having an electric guage and reg on them.

Edgun west will install a regular pressure gauge at no cost on a lelya or matador. I bought my lelya and Brian told me they don't use the digital gauges anymore.

+1 on that my Lelya 2.0 came with a manual non digital gauge from Edgun west

[Bluesman]

Well i emailed charlie at Georgia airguns and he says he no longer carries the taipan veterans since he cant get parts or even spare magazines. He also says he stopped carrying the zbroia line as well for the same reason.

So that might put a damper on the taipan line.
He did say he carries the crickets still so i might look at them.

Edgun matador from edgun west might be an option still. Though i dont like the idea of having an electric guage and reg on them.

That's a shame about the Zbroia line. I got my Kozak 550 Tactical from Charlie a few years ago. It's a fantastic gun, very well made and accurate.

[mackeral5]

While I have quickly become a fan of the OG Veteran, I am not so much a fan of the Veteran 2.  to me Taipan took this simple robust, no nonsense platform and due to marketing pressures, made it a bit gimmicky.  No offense to anyone who loves their Veteran 2, just my opinion...  Without "giving the people what they wanted" I am sure Taipan would have struggled for the sales volumes needed to stay viable. 

Those AGT guns, I have never handled one, never been inside one. At first glance, from afar, the Uragan and Vulcan seem attractive to me.  So much so that I own a twin 530cc tank kit for the Uragan, but don't own a Uragan yet, lol... 

My experience over the years with Edgun West has been too flaky for me to ever own another Edgun.  That may be unfair of me as I have never purchased a gun there, just ammo, parts, and accessories.  But I do not like a vendor reaching out to me, unsolicited, "sure man I can help you out, I have those parts" then ghosting me.  That was when I knew my journey with Edgun was at its end.  I am sure others have had awesome experiences, but that was mine. 

[Sean]

Wow! Sorry to hear about your experience with Edgun west. I have nothing but great praise for the outfit. I think if you go that route you will be satisfied though. I wish they would start making a leshiy classic in this country instead of the l2. I would buy one in a heartbeat. The only reason I got the lelya is 'cause I couldn't get a leshiy classic. I am thinking of trading my lelya for a leshiy classic on the classifieds here. MAYBE!! I do love that lelya!!

[PasadenaMike]

The L1 is the poster child for “one gun does most” you can caliber change in one minute without any fancy tools and tuning. I’d never get rid of mine I have all the barrels except a .20 and .30. It’s currently hosting a .25 250mm barrel shooting the the Hades at 700. Little guy makes 30 fpe and fits in your pocket

[anti-squirrel]

The L1 is the poster child for “one gun does most” you can caliber change in one minute without any fancy tools and tuning. I’d never get rid of mine I have all the barrels except a .20 and .30. It’s currently hosting a .25 250mm barrel shooting the the Hades at 700. Little guy makes 30 fpe and fits in your pocket

This!

I spent 6+ months "finding" my first higher-dollar PCP and chose the Leshiy (now Leshiy Classic) for these reasons.  You can still find them, but my guess is they will start doing what Sumatra Carbines are doing: appreciating in value.

Regarding the Lelya- The one I bought (and my wife cl;aimed as her own) is superlatively accurate.  In better hands than mine, I'm certain it is capable of MOA at 80 yads, and likely darn close at 100+.  The major determinant will be ammo choices.  The Lelya is basically a more compact Matador; both EdGuns are totally ambidextrous with "charging lever" style cocking on both sides.  they should very very well, and I'd say the Lelya is marginally better for offhand shooting than my Leshiy Classic, but mainly because it is heavier and more stable.

A concern with bullpups is they lend themselves to canting, so a scope level would be handy for bench shooting.  Free-hand is just a matter of building familiarity and comfort, so whether you choose an EdGun, a Kalibr, a Taipan, Zbroia, or Uragun, just bear this in mind.  I have strong suspicions the war between Russia and Ukraine is having a significant impact on airguns coming from Ukraine, so now may not be the best time for them.  There are Spanish and Turkish manufacturers offering excellent bullpups (Cometa and Kral, respectively) but these are mid-range, not top-tier.


For bench shooting, a rifle or carbine will generally offer a more stable platform than one of these subcompact bullpups.  There's also the "black gun" style bullpups like RTI and the FX Impacts which have their own benefits.  I have a long term goal of buying an FX Dreamline (tube not bottle) or an RTI, with the RTI leading the way.

If only i had the money to buy them all i probably would. Along with a bunch more fire arms and reloading things.

Id love to have a gun for every job, like people do with tools. Though i wonder what the 10mm wrench equivalent would be I guns? You know thr one you can never find when you need it lol

This would likely be either a PRod, the EdGun Leshiy Classic, or the FX Impact/Dreamline or the RTI Prophet/Priest.  These are either modular and easy to alter, or simply offer an endless amount of tuning/modification.  For me, the EdGun Leshiy is the Alpha and Omega; it meets every need except deer hunting (mainly because I don't own a .35 "Nasty Nine" barrel yet).

[kbstingwing]

Id love to have a gun for every job, like people do with tools. Though i wonder what the 10mm wrench equivalent would be I guns? You know thr one you can never find when you need it lol

Well for Air Guns it would be the Fill Probe..... , Where did that stupid thing go..... Ehh I'll just buy another one....

[Rick67]

If only i had the money to buy them all i probably would. Along with a bunch more fire arms and reloading things.

Id love to have a gun for every job, like people do with tools. Though i wonder what the 10mm wrench equivalent would be I guns? You know thr one you can never find when you need it lol

Not a high end BP but a custom one and tuned.

The owner, Rich Dudek, is a master tuner and a machinist.

No problem with parts backup from Crosman/ Benjamin either.

Personally, I would have qualms taking a nice and expensive AG out to the woods lest I scratch it:


https://www.airgunrevisions.com/product/benjamin-akela-22-with-aluminum-air-tube-and-tko-moderator/