Hummm..I might try coating a BB with candle wax and shooting it out of the Umarex NXG APX at 20 pumps or so.It will be interesting to see if the wax catches the rifling in the barrel like a sabot would. Best Wishes - Tom
Quote from: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on August 11, 2023, 08:41:25 PMHummm..I might try coating a BB with candle wax and shooting it out of the Umarex NXG APX at 20 pumps or so.It will be interesting to see if the wax catches the rifling in the barrel like a sabot would. Best Wishes - TomTom, that is a wild idea! I had considered a patch (like a muzzle loader) but never thought of wax. I am told slower speed and slower twist rate gives best accuracy for round balls, but I have never seen any test results, and they were talking about black powder rifles with lead balls, or a plastic round ball, not bb's. (A bb is super slick compared to any other roundball, so who knows how it will behave in the air if you give it a good spin?)I would love to hear the results.
another thing that i have come to realize is that you almost never need to pump a pumper to its highest power level. more often than not you can find better accuracy at less pumps.
So, being the bored airgunner i am, i called my other very bored pal, Pelletsport. We BS airguns and one thing led to another (no, you sick @#$%s, not that leading...lol) and i dont remember who brought it up, but the question came up... "dude, why dont we shoot long distance BBs?"And i know God should have stricken who ever said that with a bolt of lightning, but no, there we were, staring into space with thought of 2 mile shots to terrorists with Red ryders... So the adventure began... many questions came up and we have been working on this concept for a bit now. A couple of things that we have found out. We are aware of the limitations of todays BB guns, so we have posed a challenge to create a BB shooter that can take out a can at 20 yards, with hope to eventually moving it back to 30 and finally, 40 yards (the ultimate farthest distance ever for a BB, as we all know, lol). 20 is far, 30 is way out there, 40 is so far out there is not even funny...first surprise: How far can a BB drill through a can from a Red ryder? 10 yards, say some? 15?. context: this is a tired daisy 102 model 36 that i have essentially made into a red ryder by swapping woods and all. Velocity? 216 fps with daisy BBs. drilling distance? 20 yards. More impressive, i took out a very old Daisy 102 with the kiddie stock (if you are not aware, those are the grand daddies of the Buck) and it did the same but this one is only shooting 163 fps.!!! And then again witha Daisy 188 pistol. 168 fps. right through. The only caveat is that they have to be cans FULL of water.second surprise: BB guns are like pellet rifles, and BBs are different. meaning some of them like some and others like other ones. the difference is groups from 4 in down to <1 in at 10 yards, which means that accuracy at longer ranges is perfectly achievable (now, no one said expect FWB 601 like accuracy, but remember, we are using soda cans for the project.Third surprise: BB guns are fully tuneable. Go ahead. try it. Red ryder triggers are tuneable to be lighter than pellet gun triggers. Seals can be improved and barrels may be polished. Also make sure that they are solidly mounted. Oh yeah. this is not just Red Ryders... crosman 760 work too, and daisies 35, and any other BB gun you got sitting there collecting dust. *(&^, i tuned the Daisy 188 and it is now a very enjoyable 10 yard plinker!. and at 15 ft it will do groups smaller than an inch.The purpose of this crazy post is to get you involved in something that may sound crazy... nutty, even. But is sure a ton of Fun. let me know about your progress/ experiments/ comments... have fun!PS: muzzleloaders are nothing more than huge BB guns!!!! and we take them seriously.
I have one of those APXs and good luck with 20 pumps.It might be a little bit dangerous. I wonder if blowing up a BB gun could equal or surpass killing a can at 30 yrds equating it with success. Ron
My 2 smoothbore Daisy 35s are really accurate with Daisy Precision Max BBs. They seem to prefer 7 pumps and under. I don't remember just how far I've tried them, but it's at least 20 yards or so. I did try powder coating a bunch of BBs but it didn't seem to help accuracy that much.There's a guy on YouTube using carbon fiber shot tubes in his red ryder builds.
First I see BB's need improvement, maybe Tungsten I'm reflecting on long range BB gun shots of my past, 100 yards is doable IMO
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