Quote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.
Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Quote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
Quote from: mackeral5 on June 11, 2023, 09:05:14 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp. The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
Quote from: Rick67 on June 11, 2023, 09:47:10 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 11, 2023, 09:05:14 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp. The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore? When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle. All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels. If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
Quote from: mackeral5 on June 12, 2023, 06:41:51 AMQuote from: Rick67 on June 11, 2023, 09:47:10 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 11, 2023, 09:05:14 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp. The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore? When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle. All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels. If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel. Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.Thanks for pointing that out 👍
Quote from: Rick67 on June 12, 2023, 03:35:17 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 12, 2023, 06:41:51 AMQuote from: Rick67 on June 11, 2023, 09:47:10 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 11, 2023, 09:05:14 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp. The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore? When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle. All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels. If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel. Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.Thanks for pointing that out 👍You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.
Quote from: mackeral5 on June 12, 2023, 08:51:55 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 12, 2023, 03:35:17 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 12, 2023, 06:41:51 AMQuote from: Rick67 on June 11, 2023, 09:47:10 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 11, 2023, 09:05:14 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp. The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore? When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle. All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels. If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel. Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.Thanks for pointing that out 👍You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.I remembered this thread and did it today.Was surprised that the supposedly tight H & N FT 5.53 was only so when chambering; it's smooth all the way except on the last remaining inch, like it was choked.Was really tight, even tighter than my LW barrels Makes me wonder if all PROD barrels are choked.
Quote from: Rick67 on June 16, 2023, 06:46:29 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 12, 2023, 08:51:55 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 12, 2023, 03:35:17 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 12, 2023, 06:41:51 AMQuote from: Rick67 on June 11, 2023, 09:47:10 PMQuote from: mackeral5 on June 11, 2023, 09:05:14 PMQuote from: Rick67 on June 02, 2023, 01:14:13 PMQuote from: thumbs on May 24, 2023, 02:46:45 PMYeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. IdonoMine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.The rest are so so.Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp. The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore? When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle. All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels. If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel. Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.Thanks for pointing that out 👍You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.I remembered this thread and did it today.Was surprised that the supposedly tight H & N FT 5.53 was only so when chambering; it's smooth all the way except on the last remaining inch, like it was choked.Was really tight, even tighter than my LW barrels Makes me wonder if all PROD barrels are choked.Based on what I've seen all Mrod/Prod .22 barrels are choked. Your Prod barrel sounds like it just needs some TLC and it would could probably be turned into a nice shooting barrel. it being smooth between the lead and choke is a strong indicator.
IF I had waited, I most likely would of not built this, but got the Prod on sale for close to NOTOS price, bought all the extras on sale except the scope and LDC... still not as good of gun vs the $ as my SPA guns of similar style.