Umarex Notos CRK Review

[jemkewl]

Not sure if it is light enough, but the west hunter 4-16 is working well for me.  Parallax down to 10ish yards.

[2A Georgia]

Sundays Shoot the Notos is way better than the operator and the SvBony 4x32.  Smashing cans full clip with no misses at 25M and 30M all day long.  Even hit at 40M.  I could not see the holes in the paper at 25M at 4X fixed.  I'm looking at scope options in the say 12x range and got some good suggestions from the ATL crew.  I'm fighting with me being blind as a bat and wanting the Notos to be light weight.  I guess I'll have to be okay with 1.25# scope for still under 5.5# total weight.  Consistently shooting 3 clips and air-up just before off regulator.  Yes, I tried the clip and maybe it just needs breaking in as I had no failure to feed or mangled pellets (or its the neanderthal error).  Leaning towards ordering one 6 and one 12 shot mag from CARM.  I packed my tripod and left the chrono so still have testing on the GTOs and H&N variety slug pack.

[Firewalker]

Sundays Shoot the Notos is way better than the operator and the SvBony 4x32.  Smashing cans full clip with no misses at 25M and 30M all day long.  Even hit at 40M.  I could not see the holes in the paper at 25M at 4X fixed.  I'm looking at scope options in the say 12x range and got some good suggestions from the ATL crew.  I'm fighting with me being blind as a bat and wanting the Notos to be light weight.  I guess I'll have to be okay with 1.25# scope for still under 5.5# total weight.  Consistently shooting 3 clips and air-up just before off regulator.  Yes, I tried the clip and maybe it just needs breaking in as I had no failure to feed or mangled pellets (or its the neanderthal error).  Leaning towards ordering one 6 and one 12 shot mag from CARM.  I packed my tripod and left the chrono so still have testing on the GTOs and H&N variety slug pack.

Clips are used in the M1 Garand, what you have sir are magazines.

[tennx]

Sundays Shoot the Notos is way better than the operator and the SvBony 4x32.  Smashing cans full clip with no misses at 25M and 30M all day long.  Even hit at 40M.  I could not see the holes in the paper at 25M at 4X fixed.  I'm looking at scope options in the say 12x range and got some good suggestions from the ATL crew.  I'm fighting with me being blind as a bat and wanting the Notos to be light weight.  I guess I'll have to be okay with 1.25# scope for still under 5.5# total weight.  Consistently shooting 3 clips and air-up just before off regulator.  Yes, I tried the clip and maybe it just needs breaking in as I had no failure to feed or mangled pellets (or its the neanderthal error).  Leaning towards ordering one 6 and one 12 shot mag from CARM.  I packed my tripod and left the chrono so still have testing on the GTOs and H&N variety slug pack.

Clips are used in the M1 Garand, what you have sir are magazines.

Speaking of which…..I just got 3 PP750 from Airgunarchery….little tight and dont load like OEM but excellent MAG….for the funds…good luck

[subscriber]

Dave,

I like to clip the word "magazine" to "mag".   

Calling a "magazine" a "clip" is like calling an air tube, an air tank; vice versa.  Hardly a capitol offence.   It is all good among friends.

[avator]

Would it also be ok to call them all vessels? They all contain and deliver something.   

[tennx]

Would it also be ok to call them all vessels? They all contain and deliver something.   

U do u…Im sticking with Mag..lol

[2A Georgia]

Sundays Shoot the Notos is way better than the operator and the SvBony 4x32.  Smashing cans full clip with no misses at 25M and 30M all day long.  Even hit at 40M.  I could not see the holes in the paper at 25M at 4X fixed.  I'm looking at scope options in the say 12x range and got some good suggestions from the ATL crew.  I'm fighting with me being blind as a bat and wanting the Notos to be light weight.  I guess I'll have to be okay with 1.25# scope for still under 5.5# total weight.  Consistently shooting 3 clips and air-up just before off regulator.  Yes, I tried the clip and maybe it just needs breaking in as I had no failure to feed or mangled pellets (or its the neanderthal error).  Leaning towards ordering one 6 and one 12 shot mag from CARM.  I packed my tripod and left the chrono so still have testing on the GTOs and H&N variety slug pack.

Clips are used in the M1 Garand, what you have sir are magazines.

I love the seniors on this forum.  Mea Culpa I meant CooKoo Clock thingy.....lol.  You are correct sir Magazine/Mag.  I've done marching drill competition and parades with de-comissioned M1's.  Never fired a clip of rounds yet.  Only the Color Guard got to fire blanks for the 21 gun salute. VT86Delta Company Corps of Cadets.

[subscriber]

Would it also be ok to call them all vessels? They all contain and deliver something.   

I think vessels are for fluids.  Fluids can be liquids or gasses.  Possibly for particles that can flow, such as grain, or BBs.  Pellets or slugs, offered up one at a time, with proper alignment to the barrel chamber for loading, and having its own spring; are by definition magazines.

Yet, magazines can also be storage buildings, or a parts of a ship, or part of a battery, for cannon shells and propellant.  The "springs" there may take various forms; with magazine buildings having the most un-spring-like delivery conveyances.

My contribution to this is to provide comic relief.  I once heard that pedantry has no place in infantry.  I said it myself; only yesterday  .   Although I suspect the exact opposite is true.   In the military, things have very precise terminology, even if some of us think they went overboard:  What is a boat?  What is a ship?  What is a maratime vessel?  What is a gun?  What is a rifle?  What is artillery....

There is a place for precise language with airgunnery:  If you want pellets, you need to be specific about the caliber, shape and weight.  If you want to buy a mag, you need to be specific about the caliber, make and model of your airgun.

I rest my case, and bow out, so we can get back to ballistics.
 

[Firewalker]

Dave,

I like to clip the word "magazine" to "mag".   

Calling a "magazine" a "clip" is like calling an air tube, an air tank; vice versa.  Hardly a capitol offence.   It is all good among friends.

Hmmmm, never been b**** slapped by a DI, huh? 😉

[2A Georgia]

More great information about the Notos, thanks David. Loving mine after some adjustments, Umarex seems to have hit a home run with this one. (Well, maybe a triple... better trigger and mags would be a home run for sure!)

Agree my friend Tripple with a big lead off :-)
I have my trigger very close with just the adjustment (no disassembly).
After break in my mag is working better, but I'm considering the CARM mags and CP4-12X44 as the game winning RBI.
The AG is more accurate than I am.  It will be a joy working towards what the gun is capable of.

[kbstingwing]

you can't go wrong with the Carm "mags", Just make sure your rings are tall enough for the "mags" to fit, Medium or Tall rings should do, if you have a low check bone, go with tall rings....

[Firewalker]

Lots has happened in the past 4 months. Full bottle conversion, bag rider delete, 8 baffle moderator insert, lapped the barrel, trigger work done.

I offered the conversion to others and just got my 20th conversion completed and in the mail, 2 more Notos sitting on the bench waiting for my attention, one is a FULL conversion with everything but a CF bottle and the second is just a barrel lapping and polish.

I can't wait until I get some "parts" to pull the moderator housings off and put 1/2-20 UNF male threaded adapters on the ends.

What you may not know: The Notos barrel is NOT crowned at the end of the barrel, the rifling ends about 1/4" in from the barrel end and crowing is marginal at best. It needs to be cut back, crowned and polished. That means the awful plastic overmolded housing has to be removed first.

The barrel I was lapping tonight, the housing had a full .125" of runout! Looking forward to getting some barrels ready for aftermarket mods!

[Firewalker]

Getting some Notos conversions out the door this morning, still waiting on parts on a full conversion, the parts stream is still slow and what took 3 weeks ia now taking 6 BUT parts I ordered via speed-pack from China two weeks ago are clearing customs today and should be here by wednesday.

I wanted to share my findings with the couple dozen Notos rifles I have worked on over the past couple months. First up, they are all very consistent, there have been zero defects of any kind, on any gun. That means that all the triggers are pretty poor... BUT they do improve with some work and springs. You do need to be especially careful when removing the barrel for two reasons: First, the two grub screws are often glued in and they dont respond to heat as well as Loctite, it responds more like super glue. I use a single drop of acetone from a blunt 40ga hypodermic needle on the bottom grub and put a load on the wrench then put heat on the wrench (soldering iron) to get the grub to break free.   

[Firewalker]

I am now offering a moderator housing delete and barrel threading, 1/2-20 UNF for your silencer or shoot it without. So, if you want to run YOUR moderator on a Notos, this is your mod!

[2A Georgia]

Getting some Notos conversions out the door this morning, still waiting on parts on a full conversion, the parts stream is still slow and what took 3 weeks ia now taking 6 BUT parts I ordered via speed-pack from China two weeks ago are clearing customs today and should be here by wednesday.

I wanted to share my findings with the couple dozen Notos rifles I have worked on over the past couple months. First up, they are all very consistent, there have been zero defects of any kind, on any gun. That means that all the triggers are pretty poor... BUT they do improve with some work and springs. You do need to be especially careful when removing the barrel for two reasons: First, the two grub screws are often glued in and they dont respond to heat as well as Loctite, it responds more like super glue. I use a single drop of acetone from a blunt 40ga hypodermic needle on the bottom grub and put a load on the wrench then put heat on the wrench (soldering iron) to get the grub to break free.   

First thanks for sharing all this really good research with the GTA/NOTOS click community.
I have found my love for NOTOS as my first point-n-click PCP and other than adjusting the trigger screw, buying CARM mags and adding a QDC mount, I won't be modifying anything on the gun and just torture testing with woods walks and can dancing.  I'm already bored shooting paper as the AG is more accurate than I am and prints sub MOS patterns with all the ammo I've tried.  I am confident the AG as shipped will hit a squirrel sized kill zone at 35yards and in.  It will do everything I could ask of it if it survives my clumsy unplanned torture testing aka walking around in the woods with me.  Maybe someday if I felt the need to only hear the hammer strike and put a moderator on I will have the barrel crowned as the shroud would be off for the prep any kind of adapter.
Many thanks again!

[Intoodeep1113]

Hey everyone, thanks for all the info, and thanks to Subscriber for doing all the work and sharing the silencer! I printed the long 8 baffle version. It fit in great, but I couldn't get the oring in, but it works fine without. There was a noticeable decrease in noise vs. Stock. I printed it using ASA filament on a Qidi printer. It took about 6.5 hours.

[subscriber]

James, that is a nice crisp looking print.

[Intoodeep1113]

Thanks, its a crisp looking design!

[Intoodeep1113]

Hey guys, I just wanted to mention I had an issue with a loose/wiggling picatinny rail and shroud on my new Notos. I found the issue to be that the screw that secures it was actually too long and was bottoming out before seating on the rail. I removed the screw and ground off 1-2mm and reinstalled it. plenty of threads to grab, and no more wiggle. I hope that helps someone else.