Classic Style, FX, Weihrauch, Daystate or Air Arms

[Filnez]

I might be able to pull of buying another PCP and I'm wanting a nicer classically styled walnut stocked rifle. The ones that I've been looking at are the FX Dreamline Classic,  Weihrauch HW100, Daystate Huntsman Revere and the Air Arms S510 XS Xtra. What are some pros and cons of each of these? I am most attracted to the looks of the FX and from watching a bunch of Youtube thet seem to be what I would want.

Also another question,  about Mundilar from Portugal. Pyramid Air has been out of the Dreamline Classic for some time, Mundilar has them in stock and apparently ships to the USA. No DonnyFL moderator on those, but the price is considerably lower too. They also carry Daystate but prices not much lower than AOA plus the shipping charge overseas hurts there. 

[ranchibi]

My vote is for the new Daystate Revere, the best carbine PCP still built in my humble opinion...did you see the newest version coming...beautiful!

[jus Tom]

Took delivery of a Revere .177 last week, awesome rifle! finish is beautiful, lightweight and accurate right out of the box with added Tanto moderator. I also own a FX Classic DL synthetic .22 with FX Donny, also a very nice rifle, lightweight as well and also quite accurate. My Weihrauch HW110ST .177 is another great shooter but a bit heavier in hand due to the composite build, the Weihrauch moderators out-perform the Donny' for quietness.
When you spend the $ these rifles command.. you really won't go wrong with any choice.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

I have the AA S510XS Xtra and the FX Dreamline Classic with the grey laminated stock.  Both are beautiful rides, but the stock on the AA S510XS is the clear winner in the beauty department!  The blueing on the AA is also superior to the FX, IMHO.  Both are very accurate and have their advantages and disadvantages. 

The S510XS magazine hold 10 pellets where the FX holds 18 in .22 and 16 in .25.  If you want to shoot different calibers, then the FX has the clear advantage because you can get Barrel kits from .177 all the way to .30 cal for it.  I have .22 and .25 for mine.  The FX also has an externally adjustable regulator for tuning, I'm assuming the AA Regulator is also adjustable, but that would require you to tear into the rifle to do so.  The larger magazine on the FX does mean you need tall rings, where the AA uses medium rings, so the scope is closer to the barrel.  They are both about the same length and weight and the cocking action and triggers are equally smooth and crisp. 

I picked up the AA S520XS from Pyramyd as a refurb, but you sure can't tell, it's an absolute beauty and functions flawlessly.  I honestly think you'd be happy with the performance of either.

[Bladebum]

Between those 4 I would absolutely choose the daystate revere, followed by the air arms. I owned a huntsman and I absolutely loved it. Super consistent, excellent design and build quality, compact, lightweight, rugged and accurate as all get out. 

If you want to adjust powers and want alot of the same features as the revere, the air arms are quality shooters.

The HWs are nice guns but not very great efficiency compared to the daystate and a bit heavy. (If field carry is something you intend to do)

The dreamline has the most adjustability for power of the 4 as well as the ability to change  barrels, parts, etc. What I dont like about the dreamline is the floating barrel flops around like a clacker toy. It bangs against the air cylinder while carrying and changes POI every 2 seconds, HUGE design flaw. It should come with a solid barrel band like the revere, which is screwed into the air cylinder end cap. The barrel band fix for the fx is a grub screw system, which can rack and stay changing your poi just the same. For my dads dreamline, we ended up getting a custom barrel band and epoxying it on.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Between those 4 I would absolutely choose the daystate revere, followed by the air arms. I owned a huntsman and I absolutely loved it. Super consistent, excellent design and build quality, compact, lightweight, rugged and accurate as all get out. 

If you want to adjust powers and want alot of the same features as the revere, the air arms are quality shooters.

The HWs are nice guns but not very great efficiency compared to the daystate and a bit heavy. (If field carry is something you intend to do)

The dreamline has the most adjustability for power of the 4 as well as the ability to change  barrels, parts, etc. What I dont like about the dreamline is the floating barrel flops around like a clacker toy. It bangs against the air cylinder while carrying and changes POI every 2 seconds, HUGE design flaw. It should come with a solid barrel band like the revere, which is screwed into the air cylinder end cap. The barrel band fix for the fx is a grub screw system, which can rack and stay changing your poi just the same. For my dads dreamline, we ended up getting a custom barrel band and epoxying it on.

FX has a nice aluminum barrel band for the Dreamline Classic series, they sent me one as a warranty part.  It's nicely blued and looks good along with keeping the barrel where it belongs! 

[Bladebum]

Between those 4 I would absolutely choose the daystate revere, followed by the air arms. I owned a huntsman and I absolutely loved it. Super consistent, excellent design and build quality, compact, lightweight, rugged and accurate as all get out. 

If you want to adjust powers and want alot of the same features as the revere, the air arms are quality shooters.

The HWs are nice guns but not very great efficiency compared to the daystate and a bit heavy. (If field carry is something you intend to do)

The dreamline has the most adjustability for power of the 4 as well as the ability to change  barrels, parts, etc. What I dont like about the dreamline is the floating barrel flops around like a clacker toy. It bangs against the air cylinder while carrying and changes POI every 2 seconds, HUGE design flaw. It should come with a solid barrel band like the revere, which is screwed into the air cylinder end cap. The barrel band fix for the fx is a grub screw system, which can rack and stay changing your poi just the same. For my dads dreamline, we ended up getting a custom barrel band and epoxying it on.

FX has a nice aluminum barrel band for the Dreamline Classic series, they sent me one as a warranty part.  It's nicely blued and looks good along with keeping the barrel where it belongs!

Hey Paul, that is the barrel band I was referring to that can "rack and stay". In other words, it will hold whatever position it gets moved to, defeating the purpose. I guess it just depends on what sort of rugged demands an individual has, it does stop the barrel from freely moving.

For me its just little things that add up to the whole picture. I own an fx wildcat mk3 and would absolutely reccomend that but that wasn't what OP was looking for.

[Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58)]

Between those 4 I would absolutely choose the daystate revere, followed by the air arms. I owned a huntsman and I absolutely loved it. Super consistent, excellent design and build quality, compact, lightweight, rugged and accurate as all get out. 

If you want to adjust powers and want alot of the same features as the revere, the air arms are quality shooters.

The HWs are nice guns but not very great efficiency compared to the daystate and a bit heavy. (If field carry is something you intend to do)

The dreamline has the most adjustability for power of the 4 as well as the ability to change  barrels, parts, etc. What I dont like about the dreamline is the floating barrel flops around like a clacker toy. It bangs against the air cylinder while carrying and changes POI every 2 seconds, HUGE design flaw. It should come with a solid barrel band like the revere, which is screwed into the air cylinder end cap. The barrel band fix for the fx is a grub screw system, which can rack and stay changing your poi just the same. For my dads dreamline, we ended up getting a custom barrel band and epoxying it on.

FX has a nice aluminum barrel band for the Dreamline Classic series, they sent me one as a warranty part.  It's nicely blued and looks good along with keeping the barrel where it belongs!

Hey Paul, that is the barrel band I was referring to that can "rack and stay". In other words, it will hold whatever position it gets moved to, defeating the purpose. I guess it just depends on what sort of rugged demands an individual has, it does stop the barrel from freely moving.

For me its just little things that add up to the whole picture. I own an fx wildcat mk3 and would absolutely reccomend that but that wasn't what OP was looking for.

Ahhh, that makes sense.  Yes, if I smack the barrel with any authority it will shift, but it's still better than it was before when it was just flapping in the breeze!  The fiberglass shroud is not very stiff, so without some sort of support, the barrel does tend to wander! 

[PasadenaMike]

My vote goes to the 510. I don’t have one although now I want one (thanks for the post) anyway what sets the 510 apart is the awesome stock, easy power adjuster via the transfer port adjuster. S510 has been in service for years. The Daystate for sure comes second to me it’s just beautiful just no transfer port adjuster.

[Filnez]

The HW fills to 200 Bar, the FX to 230, while the Daystate and Air Arms go to 250. I would be hand pumping so that could be a disadvantage with them.  I wonder how much shots you'd be losing filling to 200. But, and there's always buts, the reservoirs aren't that large so how hard would it be pumping? I'm used to pumping my Evanix Renegade AR6 to 200 Bar and it has a rather large tank at 320 cc. And then there are the carbine length HW's vs the rifle lengths. Awfully complex to think about!

[Filnez]

My train of thought could be on the wrong rail. I pumped up the Evanix from 100 Bar to 200, took 150 pumps, was not easy on my crippled up body and not likely to get easier as time passes. Without an electric pump I just don't know. I want, but am not entirely sure if I should hold my horses. No hurry anyway.

[EPG8]

I currently own a Daystate Huntsman, a Weihrauch HW110 and an FX Dreamline Classic (grey laminate). All in .22 caliber (although I do have the .177 caliber change kit for the Dreamline).

The build quality of the Daystate and Weihrauch are way ahead of the FX. The Weihrauch barrel is a solid 15mm thick chunk of steel and threaded into the breech. The barrel muzzle  (not the shroud - it doesn’t have one) is threaded for a moderator. The Weihrauch moderator is the best at quieting - much quieter than the DonnyFL design) The FX Dreamline Classics now use the FX “superlight” barrel system, which is essentially a thin (very thin) steel tube (“liner”) with rifling pressed into it. It is suspended inside a barrel shroud using 2 or 3 delrin spacers to keep it centered. I have the FX barrel band installed, but if you bump it - even with the band - it will shift PoI.

The Weihrauch trigger is just awesome- my favorite trigger ever. Mine breaks at 8 ounces - like glass.  The Daystate trigger is also a very nice trigger. The Dreamline trigger relies on a steel ball sitting on a spring for 2nd stage. I can’t get it below 14 ounces without it creeping. However, if you like your trigger weight around 1 pound, its a decent trigger.

The Daystate and the FX are the best handling. They are shorter and lighter than the Weihrauch- which is built like a tank.  The Weihrauch has a magazine system that is a solid metal disc that you push the pellets into. You cannot double load the Weihrauch. Because the magazine fits INSIDE the breech, you can use low scope rings and get your scope very close to the barrel bore. The FX and Daystate use spring loaded mags. I bought CARM micro magazines and single shot loader for my Dreamline - as the ridiculous giant magazine that it comes with requires you to use high scope rings - which also screws up the rifles balance, making it top heavy, as the Dreamline - even in laminate- is very light.

All three rifles are very accurate. I shoot the Daystate the best, but all 3 rifles can outshoot me.

If I was to have only one, it would be the Daystate Huntsman.  Best combination of performance (accuracy) trigger, handling, build quality and classic looks.

Hope this helps,

Ed

[Bladebum]

My train of thought could be on the wrong rail. I pumped up the Evanix from 100 Bar to 200, took 150 pumps, was not easy on my crippled up body and not likely to get easier as time passes. Without an electric pump I just don't know. I want, but am not entirely sure if I should hold my horses. No hurry anyway.

I hand pumped my huntsman for quite some time before I eventually got a 74cf bottle. Soon after I bought a yong heng to fill it because taking it to get filled was a PITA . I recently just picked up a vevor portable compressor and I LOVE it. Now I mostly use that, and the hand pump while I'm out hunting or pest shooting.

My huntsman was the regal xl regulated version and took about 120 pumps to go from 150bar to 250bar . For around $250 the vevor compressor is a dream to have, highly recommend. 

I also have hand pumped the dreamline. Has the 230 bar fill but a 250cc tube so hand pumping was about equal to the daystate.

The fx is highly modular,  more powerful, higher shot count at same power levels and I would still reccomend the other 3 with the order being huntsman, air arms and HW.

[Spin]

I might be able to pull of buying another PCP and I'm wanting a nicer classically styled walnut stocked rifle. The ones that I've been looking at are the FX Dreamline Classic,  Weihrauch HW100, Daystate Huntsman Revere and the Air Arms S510 XS Xtra. What are some pros and cons of each of these? I am most attracted to the looks of the FX and from watching a bunch of Youtube thet seem to be what I would want.

Also another question,  about Mundilar from Portugal. Pyramid Air has been out of the Dreamline Classic for some time, Mundilar has them in stock and apparently ships to the USA. No DonnyFL moderator on those, but the price is considerably lower too. They also carry Daystate but prices not much lower than AOA plus the shipping charge overseas hurts there.

A friend of mine owns a FX Tarantula and the Wood is fantastic. I believe FX turned out some of these guns with very high grade stocks for a time. The Buddy runs a very nice shooting range in Bucks County PA and is a high ranking shooter in several disciplines. Greg tells me the gun is Very Accurate and he uses it for varmint control on his farm there. If Greg says the gun is dead on accurate right out of the box I believe him. You might consider looking around for one of them?

[Filnez]

With me hand pumping the Weihrauch sounds awfully good.

[Filnez]

Aceros de Hispania has some good pricing and guns in stock that the USA retailers don't have right now.

[Filnez]

Getting closer on time. Most probably going to go with the Weihrauch.  Still struggling over carbine vs rifle length. What would be good recommendations for pellets? I've read a ton of reviews. JSB 15.89, JSB 18.13, or H&N Baracuda Match 21.1 are mentioned often for many rifles. Looking at the Hawke Vantage 4-12x40AO and Airmax 4-12x50AO scopes and possibly the Athlon Talos 4-16xSF scopes.

[Filnez]

I still have two scuba tanks that I haven't used in a while that I can have serviced and filled. With the HW100's 200Bar fill pressure they would be useful again instead of sitting in the corner of my bedroom gathering dust. IF I'm going to start back into much PCP shooting I should get some use out of them. One is a 200 Bar aluminum the other is a 237 Bar steel. Been idle a while, will need hydro tested.

[cwil58]

My train of thought could be on the wrong rail. I pumped up the Evanix from 100 Bar to 200, took 150 pumps, was not easy on my crippled up body and not likely to get easier as time passes. Without an electric pump I just don't know. I want, but am not entirely sure if I should hold my horses. No hurry anyway.

Buy a compressor. You have the funds.

[squirrel_hunter]

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