I think maybe Wayne has cast some with the short pins-hopefully he’ll chime in. I have used the longer pins and they seem to drop at 23 (+/-) .6 grains. Some times the slug doesn’t want to release from the pin so I have been thinking of using the shorter pin to see if they release easier. Should help reduce the number of culls I have as well. Weight will probably increase by 1-1.5 grains.