Just noticed this on the Crosman 362....

[benji397]

I've only shot this in the garage over the chrono and always felt it took a lot of force to open the pump arm when closed against the pump tube. So, I had it out and just looking it over and discovered there is a metal plate screwed to the stock and the forearm has a strong magnet screwed to it.

[Back_Roads]

 Maybe a slice or two of electric tape on the metal part, would give the magnet less force, does that setup make a click or clack

[benji397]

Maybe a slice or two of electric tape on the metal part, would give the magnet less force, does that setup make a click or clack

Good idea on the electrical tape. Yes, it clacks pretty good.

[superchikn]

That is a pretty neat use of a magnet. Yes a layer or two of electrical tape will help reduce the strength.


More importantly, at least in my mind is that rare earth (Neodymium) magnets rust very easily.  The nickle plating is to prevent rust, it is thin and somewhat fragile, more so if the magnet is actually making contact with the steel plate.  A piece of tape would go a long way towards protecting the magnet which may see high humidity, rain, sweat etc. which may cause corrosion if the plating wears.   

[desertplinker]

wonder if the "pumper pleasure dots" that was suggested to quiet the pump clanking would help this any?

[19Sheridan57]

   If the " clackity-clack " bothers you on ANY pumper, stick a piece of Velcro, fuzzy side, on the contact areas.

[avator]

Without hands on one I can't help but wonder...
Typically the pump arm is held closed by a cam over affect. Cam over does put some pressure on the piston head and valve face and virtually eliminates head space with the cone shaped cup engulfing the valve. This cam over should eliminate the need for a magnet to hold the pump arm closed.
Makes me wonder.. is there now head space that can be adjusted out?

[19Sheridan57]

  I wondered that, too. I would not think that magnet would be necessary. Maybe finding a way to keep the forearm up was a reason for all the delay in the production ? If the magnet, or steel plate, was not there, would the forearm just drop down ?

[avator]

  I wondered that, too. I would not think that magnet would be necessary. Maybe finding a way to keep the forearm up was a reason for all the delay in the production ? If the magnet, or steel plate, was not there, would the forearm just drop down ?

If the piston was adjusted properly, it shouldn't. What confuses me is the fact that Crosman engineers should know this better than anyone. I just can't wrap my head around any other reason for the magnet.
Wait, yes I can... come to think of it, that extended pump arm handle has to be heavier than the previous shorter design. Maybe the cam over pressure is not enough to hold it closed. Increased cam over adjustment might just put too much pressure on the valve and pivot points in the pump arm linkage.
I once had a 2200 magnum that the pump arm would pop open after every shot. This was due to the the 'nub' on the end of the pump handle was warn. I had to build that nub back up with JB Weld to make it "click" into place over that pressure button.

[Wayne52]

I wonder if they're going to make these with a wood stock in the near future, it would make a very nice back yard gun with just a few pumps shooting my wad cutters I'll bet   I might even consider getting one to eradicate some of these red squirrels that have been starting to over run the neighborhood again.  I pretty much cleaned them out a few years ago however using my Liberty is a bit much for my back yard.

[avator]

LOL Wayne... I keep saying I have no need for one of these because I have a boatload of 'lego' guns. But, I can't help but be drawn to everyone of these 5 or 6 threads on the gun.
A wood stock set just might make it hard to resist.

[Wayne52]

Bill I do like the co2 guns that I have however it's usually June before I can use one early in the morning when those reds are most active, three pumps with the 362 shooting wad cutters would probably do a job on them.

[2K1TJ]

Makes me wonder.. is there now head space that can be adjusted out?

That was my first thought. Might be an intentional buffer or governor to keep from over-stressing these.

It'll be a while before I can find out on mine. I ended up having to get my rotator cuff fixed yesterday. I had put it off too long. They say it's gonna be a 3-6 month recovery

[Ronno6]

Without hands on one I can't help but wonder...
Typically the pump arm is held closed by a cam over affect. Cam over does put some pressure on the piston head and valve face and virtually eliminates head space with the cone shaped cup engulfing the valve. This cam over should eliminate the need for a magnet to hold the pump arm closed.
Makes me wonder.. is there now head space that can be adjusted out?

2100's etc all have that pump arm retainer button protruding out the front of the receiver, (forgot to place that
critter in position prior to closing up many a receiver...) and Daisy currently uses a transverse spring to catch
a hook on the pump handle. Both guns achieve the cam over state...when rubber parts are in good shape.
Both need the arm closing mechanisms when rubber parts begin to show signs of aging...

Dunno 'bout the Benjis....I would have to check.

[avator]

Makes me wonder.. is there now head space that can be adjusted out?

That was my first thought. Might be an intentional buffer or governor to keep from over-stressing these.

It'll be a while before I can find out on mine. I ended up having to get my rotator cuff fixed yesterday. I had put it off too long. They say it's gonna be a 3-6 month recovery

Won't take that long.. stay diligent but don't over do rehab. I was using mine in 2 months but, it failed. I waited too long to have it repaired... 35 years. So the next step was total reverse shoulder replacement. That also failed. Now I am left with a shoulder that falls out of socket and I only have about 50% movement in it. I find ways to work around it but I look pretty funny doing it.

[desertplinker]

Bill
Sorry to hear about your shoulder. I think you are on to something with the long pump handle. The magnet might have been an after thought like how do we hold that long handle in place. As far as a wood stock, it won't take long for someone to find one that can be made to fit, and I don't think it will be Crosman.

[2K1TJ]

Makes me wonder.. is there now head space that can be adjusted out?

That was my first thought. Might be an intentional buffer or governor to keep from over-stressing these.

It'll be a while before I can find out on mine. I ended up having to get my rotator cuff fixed yesterday. I had put it off too long. They say it's gonna be a 3-6 month recovery

Won't take that long.. stay diligent but don't over do rehab. I was using mine in 2 months but, it failed. I waited too long to have it repaired... 35 years. So the next step was total reverse shoulder replacement. That also failed. Now I am left with a shoulder that falls out of socket and I only have about 50% movement in it. I find ways to work around it but I look pretty funny doing it.

Ouch, that not worthy. Hopefully I'll have a little better luck with mine.

[avator]

If a plastic pump handle struggles to stay up and needs a magnet, then a wood one is also going to present a problem.

[avator]

Makes me wonder.. is there now head space that can be adjusted out?

That was my first thought. Might be an intentional buffer or governor to keep from over-stressing these.

It'll be a while before I can find out on mine. I ended up having to get my rotator cuff fixed yesterday. I had put it off too long. They say it's gonna be a 3-6 month recovery

Won't take that long.. stay diligent but don't over do rehab. I was using mine in 2 months but, it failed. I waited too long to have it repaired... 35 years. So the next step was total reverse shoulder replacement. That also failed. Now I am left with a shoulder that falls out of socket and I only have about 50% movement in it. I find ways to work around it but I look pretty funny doing it.

Ouch, that not worthy. Hopefully I'll have a little better luck with mine.

Yep, best of luck to you. I just waited way too long, that was my bad. Don't look if you have a weak stomach. Here is some of the damage.

[desertplinker]

Bill
Yikes!! I have had Steroid shots in each shoulder and x-rays of course but no surgery. Does your shoulder have pain all the time? what about when you sleep?