dpricenator, please realize that it's is "not" that unreachable of a goal an as I said really should be the "goal" your after, also know I have been working "at" reaching this goal for well over 45 year's with all weapon's, to answer about shot placment at 25yds benched/rested, one "large" ragged hole should be the mark for 5 to 10 shot's, it's not impossible, I do that with a Air King 54 with William's peep an globe, with a scope you should work for a ragged hole(tossing out any "called" Flyer's). I can name several on here that can an "have" reached this goal if not exceeded it.