FWB Sport scope mount

[Skillet]

I recently bought an FWB Sport and I'm put off by the scope mount stop features on the gun.  There are five horizontal grooves milled into the receiver and I'm wondering if there are special scope mounts that use a horizontally aligned pin to fit across the grooves?  Is there such an animal?  This is my second stop to ask for an an answer.  Please see the attached pic.

A member of the sales team of the store that sold me the gun said to use the Sportsmatch rings that they sell, which have a threaded vertical stop pin.  Unless the end of the stop pin is rounded, the pin won't engage properly with the rounded bottom of the slot and the receiver will be scratched and deformed...in other words, the gun will get scarred for life.  Even with a rounded stop pin having the same diameter of the slot and perfect engagement with the slot, the tiny area of the contact point will, without question, also cause the receiver to be scarred.  An internet search led to an OP22C mount that is no longer offered by stores that I know of.

Respectfully, I'm not looking for a "go-around" solution.  I'm just asking if anybody knows of available scope mounts that have a "hardened cross pin" that will fit into the trough that FWB milled across the receiver, to keep the mount from slipping during use.  Thanks very much for any help you might be able to offer.  Happy shooting all!

[Cslinger]

Sports match does sell rings with the correct horizontal stop “bar/pin/whatever you want to call it”.

I have a set on mine. For the life of me I cannot remember the model number or designation. If it comes to me or I find it I will post.

Chris

[Cslinger]

And because I hardly ever delete personal email…………

Lazy wins again.

SM-OP22C   Sportsmatch OP22C 1-Pc Medium Scope Mount For Webley & FWB

I assume there is a high mount as well. The medium sits pretty tight.

[Cslinger]

Also I picked these up not terribly long ago from Airguns of Arizona so if they no longer make the mount it must be fairly recent.

[Oldgringo]

B. B. Pelletier at PA recommends a PA mount that does the same as Sportsmatch.  Like Chris above, I don't remember the model number.   

[cvasquez]

The newest 2 pc rings for Webley and FWB is the TO3 Special off their website. Should have a hardened cross pin to fit the shallow grooves.

[north country gal]

Absolutely do NOT use a conventional springer mount/rings with a threaded stop pin unless you want to mar up the receiver of the new Sport. Bad advice.

Just be aware that even with that "proper" Sportsmatch one-piece mount for the FWB Sport, I still got mount slippage, twice, even after using a thread locker. Those traditional cross grooves that FWB uses on the Sport were appropriate for the vintage FWB 124s and 127s with their lower power levels, but they should not have been used on the new Sport with its power levels and sharper recoil.

My solution for scoping my Sport has been to ditch the heavier one piece FWB appropriate mount and replace it with the lighter two piece FWB Sport TO-3 rings. Next, I ditched the much heavier Hawke Airmax scope for the light Leupold Freedom 3-9 EFR.  Also used a 11mm to weaver adapter behind the rear ring as a scope stop. So far, so good.

[Jshooter71]

I have not been able to find the Sportsmatch rings anywhere since I got my FWB Sport. And if I could, they’re 1” rings. I finally found what works on mine and that is the UTG DNTO6 adapter rail and Burris 30mm extra low Tactical rings. I did use the stop pin and carefully centered it in the cross notch. I was nervous, based on everything I read. So after a day of shooting and checking I took it off to inspect. Not a scratch nor nick was observable. Mounted it all back up and it’s still holding just fine.

[Jshooter71]

I have not been able to find the Sportsmatch rings anywhere since I got my FWB Sport. And if I could, they’re 1” rings. I finally found what works on mine and that is the UTG DNTO6 adapter rail and Burris 30mm extra low Tactical rings. I did use the stop pin and carefully centered it in the cross notch. I was nervous, based on everything I read. So after a day of shooting and checking I took it off to inspect. Not a scratch nor nick was observable. Mounted it all back up and it’s still holding just fine.

[Keen]

B. B. Pelletier at PA recommends a PA mount that does the same as Sportsmatch.  Like Chris above, I don't remember the model number.   

Pelletier recommended the BKL double strap mounts. They do not have the cross pin and but are supposed to clamp tightly enough to prevent the scope from walking backward. They don't.

I have a set on my FWB and the scope has walked several times. I went a similar route as NCG and installed a Sportsmatch Scope Stop behind the rearmost scope ring and have not had anymore movement to date.
 
(https://www.pyramydair.com/product/sportsmatch-scope-stop?a=7860),

[Yogi]

Sounds like it is like putting a saddle on a bucking bronco?

-Y

[Keen]

Oh, BTW I did not use the stop pin with the Sportsmax Scope Stop.

[DonC]

If you don't use the stop pin, what keeps it from moving? The rifle does not have a hole for a stop pin so why buy it? TIA

[Keen]

If you don't use the stop pin, what keeps it from moving? The rifle does not have a hole for a stop pin so why buy it? TIA

The combination of clamping strength from both the BKL mounts and the scope stop behind the rear ring is enough to keep the scope in place on the rail. It's possible that if I'd started with a one piece mount with four or six more evenly spaced points of contact the scope would have been stable from the get go, but I didn't.

Unfortunately, for me, the BKL rings(which do look handsome in silver by the way), were paid for and used by the time I recognized that they were not the solution for the problem. The Sportsmatch Scope Stop option was the easiest and least expensive way to add some more clamping force. It has worked so far, although not the most aesthetic of appearances.

There may be a one piece mount in the future, but for now the Sportsmatch call is answering my needs.

[Skillet]

Wow thanks for all the info on this little topic.  It is a pain that FWB used this design to keep the scope still.  I think Joanie is right that this is not the proper design for such a snappy magnum springer.  Why?  Because the impulse of the shot forces the cross pin uphill in the curve of the slot and this tends to pry the mount up and off the rails, verses a stop pin, which has only a horizontal reaction force.  It looks like I'll have to take the go-around and use a less than ideal, but functional approach.  I'll also start with a light scope and consider using a Bug Buster, even though the potential of the gun would suggest a finer scope.   I'll lay out all my parts and pieces and see what makes the most sense to use.  Thanks you all!  More comments are welcome if you got 'em. 

I have put only a couple hundred shots through it, the accuracy at ten yards using open sights, standing with the the off hand supported, is very nice!  The snappy shot cycle isn't that disturbing when using a light, consistent hold.  The trigger is really sweet, right out of the box and it will only get better with use.  I'm happy that I bought it and if I feel the need to drill a hole through the bottom of one of the slots, I'll do it. 

[nced]

Absolutely do NOT use a conventional springer mount/rings with a threaded stop pin unless you want to mar up the receiver of the new Sport. Bad advice.

Just be aware that even with that "proper" Sportsmatch one-piece mount for the FWB Sport, I still got mount slippage, twice, even after using a thread locker. Those traditional cross grooves that FWB uses on the Sport were appropriate for the vintage FWB 124s and 127s with their lower power levels, but they should not have been used on the new Sport with its power levels and sharper recoil.

My solution for scoping my Sport has been to ditch the heavier one piece FWB appropriate mount and replace it with the lighter two piece FWB Sport TO-3 rings. Next, I ditched the much heavier Hawke Airmax scope for the light Leupold Freedom 3-9 EFR.  Also used a 11mm to weaver adapter behind the rear ring as a scope stop. So far, so good.

My "for cheap" Chinese made .177 Remington Express also has those "crosswise grooves", however the scope dovetails are "closed ended" so the scope mount only slid rearward till being restrained. My solution to the "crosswise groove scope stops" is to use a one piece BKL mount, however it was a real bear to spread the mount "claws" far enough to clear the dovetail grooves before initial tightening..........

Anywhoo, 

[north country gal]

Good for you, Will. Even with all its quirks, I love shooting the Sport (or maybe I should say because of its quirks. ) Either way, the new FWB Sport will always have a home with me because it has been as accurate as my best under levers.

One more sight to consider is a small red dot via an 11mm to weaver adapter. I've had great success using a Burris Fastfire III that way on the Sport. The Burris only weighs a couple of ounces and has held up just fine. Only time I had a problem with the Burris on the Sport was when I had the battery cover on the Burris too loose. The Sport sent it flying through the air to land at my feet in the grass.

[Keen]

[img]thumbnail (1).jpeg/img]BKL Double Strap mounts with Sportsmatch Scope stop in the rear.

[Skillet]

Thanks once again for your replies to my question about how to mount a scope to this rifle.  I ended up doing what some others have done and add a Sportsmatch scope stop to some regular scope rings and no pins used at all.  I bought a new UTG 3-12x32 Bug Buster with the side focus for it and I love that compact scope! 
I have shot between 50 and a hundred .177 JSB heavies using the scope and the mounts have not budged.  So thumbs up for this scope mount idea!  I think the high rings are too high for a good cheek weld (for me), so I'm probably going to mill the top section off of the scope stop to lower it and switch to medium height rings for a more comfortable cheek weld. 
The gun is very accurate and I look forward to seeing how it will do at 25 yards and beyond with no breeze.
Cheers!  Will

[Bayman]

You might not have to mill anything off the scope stop if you move it behind the front ring.