Author Topic: NOE..... Nose Sizing bushings (Read 1437 times))

Nvreloader · « **on:** July 14, 2021, 11:27:20 AM »

Guys
I need some info on the NOE "Nose Sizing" bushings,

Do they have a inside taper like the standard bushing?

What is the actual height, of the Nose bushing?

The O/S diameter should be the same as the sizing bushing?

I can't seem to find any info on NOE's site about the spec etc.

Thanks,
Don

EdinGa · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2021, 12:19:59 PM »

I'm interested too. I didn't realize I was doing my pellet sizing wrong.

Wayne52 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2021, 12:23:05 PM »

personally I haven't found any need to size any NOE pellets and not quite sure if NOE even makes size bushings for pellets

EdinGa · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2021, 12:25:40 PM »

They have sizing bushings for airguns but they don't specifically say for pellets. I don't size my .217 BBTs but have have been sizing my .250 22 grain wadcutters and they shoot great in my Bandit. I've got the .250 27 hunter now, so I really want to make sure I'm doing it right because I want to use them for longer ranges.

Nvreloader · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2021, 01:05:10 PM »

Thanks Guys

I am thinking outside the box, so to speak.........LOL

Attempting to find out the actual dimension and inside dimensions.

I plan on using them for my pellet sizer, doing rough measurements from the photo's,
the nose sizer bushing appear to be about 1/4" shorter in height than the standard sizing bushings,
if these work out, I'll post the info/photo's for another post on my sizer etc.

https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/sizing-tools/bushings/22cal-bushings/

The other dimensions appear to be the same as the body bushings.................

,
saves on machining out another bushing holder etc.

The inside taper is the info I am looking for, keep the info flowing...............

any suggestions or Ideas are greatly appreciated.

Thanks Don

rsterne · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2021, 02:18:14 PM »

AFAIK, the NOE Nose Dies have very little taper, they are intended to size "bore-riding" bullets where the nose rides the lands.... You push the bullet through the bushing far enough to not get to the front drive band.... They are certainly NOT intended to resize airgun pellets....

There are special sizing dies made for airgun pellets that have a lot of taper, and you set the distance the pellet goes into them to set both diameters.... I don't recall the manufacturer's name....

Bob

EdinGa · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2021, 02:27:55 PM »

Quote from: rsterne on July 14, 2021, 02:18:14 PM

AFAIK, the NOE Nose Dies have very little taper, they are intended to size "bore-riding" bullets where the nose rides the lands.... You push the bullet through the bushing far enough to not get to the front drive band.... They are certainly NOT intended to resize airgun pellets....

There are special sizing dies made for airgun pellets that have a lot of taper, and you set the distance the pellet goes into them to set both diameters.... I don't recall the manufacturer's name....

Bob

I've been doing it wrong for sure. I water tested my pellets this morning and my skirts are too small after sizing. Thanks for enlightening me.

Nvreloader · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2021, 09:02:53 PM »

Bob
Thanks guys for the info,

I am thinking that a .217" nose die, or whatever diameter that best fits your rifle bore,
then take a correct sized taper reamer, (to shape/uniform the skirt and be large enough to seal the bore),
to ream the taper skirt section etc.

The NOE pellet skirt dimension/taper is real close to 30* taper, IIRR.

I am attempting to have/make a sizing die, to what ever size,
that would ALSO uniform/size the pellet skirt and resize or bump up the head to the diameter needed,
all in one pass for my press.

This sizing die would have a 30* taper, (.200" is the longest measured skirt length so far),
long enough to fit the skirt lengths of most pellets, and then have a straight section to the head size needed.

I have the option with my press setup, that I can size with a single down stoke,
or I can size and or bump up head diameters as needed with a single press stroke, + other options.

Here is some skirt depths of pellet I have measured,

22 caliber
Inside depth of skirt, from the bottom of skirt to pellets inside waist, the bolt probe pushes against.
Shortest
Benjamin Super Point =============----.052"
JSB Match Exact Jumbo Monster Diabolo==----.058"
JSB Match Ultra Shock Heavy Diabolo====---.064"
JSB Match Exact Jumbo Heavy Diabolo ===---.065"
Skenco Ultrashock Hollow Point========---.072"
Benjamin Hollow Point =============---.076"
Crosman Premier HP ==============---.084"
Benjamin Pointed Expanding =========---.094"
Benjamin Domed Magnum ==========----.096"
Crosman Premier Piranha ===========---.098
JSB Match Diabolo Straton Jumbo ======---.100"
Kodiak Tapered Dome=============----.108"
H&N Baracuda Match =============----.108"=5.51 Head Dia
JSB Match Exact Jumbo Diabolo =======---.112"
H&N Baracuda Match==============---.112"=5.53 Head Dia
Gamo Red Fire =================----.114"
NOE .217 Hunter================----.130"
NOE .217 Mag Hunter =============---.133"
Skenco Newboy Hollow Point =========---.136"
H&N Field target Trophy ============---.142"=5.54 Head Dia
Skenco Newboy Junior=============----.144"
H&N Field Target Trophy============----.154"=5.55 Head Dia
Ruger Superpoint================----.170"
Daisy HP (Spanish made)===========----.175"
Gamo Platinum==================---.200"
Longest

Shortest Skirt/base depth = .052"
Longest Skirt/base depth = .200"
Difference of .148" in skirt depth.

I know several of us talked about this over a year ago, and I haven't heard any more about it.

Your thoughts or suggestion are appreciated,

Tia,
Don

Madd Hatter · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2021, 03:10:06 PM »

https://www.trrobb.com/Shooting_Accessories/cat1449439_2393792.aspx

Try this place.

Bob Pratl · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2021, 05:16:04 AM »

Quote from: EdinGa on July 14, 2021, 02:27:55 PM

I've been doing it wrong for sure. I water tested my pellets this morning and my skirts are too small after sizing. Thanks for enlightening me.

You might be able to salvage the undersize pellet skirts by using a nose die and slightly compressing them on a .250 - .312 ball bearing
to flair out the skirts and then resize them to the proper skirt size.

EdinGa · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2021, 09:43:25 AM »

Quote from: Bob Pratl on July 17, 2021, 05:16:04 AM

Quote from: EdinGa on July 14, 2021, 02:27:55 PM
I've been doing it wrong for sure. I water tested my pellets this morning and my skirts are too small after sizing. Thanks for enlightening me.

You might be able to salvage the undersize pellet skirts by using a nose die and slightly compressing them on a .250 - .312 ball bearing
to flair out the skirts and then resize them to the proper skirt size.

I find casting therapeutic, so I just dumped them back into the pot and made new ones. Thanks for the tip though. I'm sure I'll be able to use it in the future.

Wayne52 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2021, 10:06:12 AM »

Eddie I just dumped some sized slugs back in the pot to cast up some unsized slugs to try out in my AEA 25 cal semi auto carbine, I tried the ones that I'd sized previously to try in my Avenger when it was still working. I also dumped sized 357 slugs in there too. I usually let everything warm up for about a half hour before I start casting. The slugs that I'll be casting are the NOE 249-39-RF hollow points. I was thinking about trying the cup points but I'm going to wait till next time for those.

EdinGa · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2021, 12:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Wayne52 on July 17, 2021, 10:06:12 AM

Eddie I just dumped some sized slugs back in the pot to cast up some unsized slugs to try out in my AEA 25 cal semi auto carbine, I tried the ones that I'd sized previously to try in my Avenger when it was still working. I also dumped sized 357 slugs in there too. I usually let everything warm up for about a half hour before I start casting. The slugs that I'll be casting are the NOE 249-39-RF hollow points. I was thinking about trying the cup points but I'm going to wait till next time for those.

It looks like I'm going to be recasting a lot of them until I get this mold figured out. I don't think I'll be buying another 4 cavity. I got it as a replacement for another mold and I'm not doing well with it so far. All of my other molds are 2 cavity and I've cast thousands of bullets, slugs and pellets with them. I'm not sure why this one is so difficult for me.

Wayne52 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2021, 12:14:21 PM »

Eddie my casting session went well, I only rejected 13 out of 140 that I cast, I easily could have cast many more with the lead that I still had in the pot except I figured I had plenty of them for testing them out.

Nvreloader · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2021, 12:37:26 PM »

I got a couple of nose bushing coming along with a new 25 cal mold,
I'll see if these nose bushings will work for what I want to do etc.

I have another heavy duty press that I have converted, will make the process a lot easier I believe,
waiting the nose bushings.........

Don

EdinGa · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2021, 12:42:50 PM »

Quote from: Nvreloader on July 17, 2021, 12:37:26 PM

I got a couple of nose bushing coming along with a new 25 cal mold,
I'll see if these nose bushings will work for what I want to do etc.

I have another heavy duty press that I have converted, will make the process a lot easier I believe,
waiting the nose bushings.........

Don

I'm currently casting with cavities 2 and 4. 1 and 3 throw fliers everywhere. Full length sizing didn't work for my Flashpup but works great for my Diana Bandit. I've definitely got to figure out something else if I want to use all 4.

Greg_E · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2021, 12:00:37 AM »

I have but one 4 cavity, a steel Lyman 147 grain, thing gets heavy very quickly. I slide it on the platform attached to my Lee pot, but dumping the rounds out gets tiring. I like the aluminum Lee molds a lot for this reason, and easy to get hot.

Nvreloader · « **Reply #17 on:** July 24, 2021, 01:54:51 PM »

Hey Guys

The NOE nose sizing bushings came in today, along with the 250-27-RF mold, here is the info on them,

N.217 nose bushing,
.420" total height, (NOE standard lip configuration/recessed locking grove),
.218" entry hole, (tapered)
.225" exit hole

N.218 nose bushing,
.420" total height, (NOE standard lip configuration/recessed locking grove),
.219" entry hole, (tapered)
.225" exit hole,
I can see a taper section inside, but can't measure it yet......... waiting for full Ball mikes to get here.

B.173 size bushing, (I'll be using these size bushings to open up for .177 and 20 cal size pellet sizing bushings)
.625" total height, (NOE standard lip configuration/recessed locking grove),
.189" entry hole, (slight taper)
.174" exit hole

HTH's
Don

Greg_E · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2021, 12:08:03 AM »

We are going to be very interested in the sizes you get on the 250-27 mold. I didn't get a chance to test mine, had family over until late this evening.

Nvreloader · « **Reply #19 on:** July 25, 2021, 12:59:43 AM »

Greg

I am attempting to find a SAFE way to do some casting,
I have been grounded via a long plastic hose and bag, bladder/kidney problem flared up again.

I don't another visit from the Tinsel Fairy, once was enough......

Hot lead and moisture DON'T go good together.

Don

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