1077 is done for me

[Spooner]

spent some time with it over the past two days trying different pellets. heavies, light, in-between weights, JSB and Crosman. it seems to be slightly better with lighter pellets but the reality is... a 3" group is not acceptable. i did these tests using the standard 12g Co2 carts and you can really tell when they start to drop off. so, after smoothing and polishing the crown and the pellet end of the barrel, and adding Geo's LDC to sure up the barrel which it definitely did do (no movement at the end at all)... i am really no closer to seeing this rifle sight in well enough to see it as useable. 

maybe later this summer i will revisit it using the 88g tank and adapter, but for now... i have had enough. my 2400KT needs a little fine tuning in its sighting, but it is definitely accurate, well within a 3/4" group and once i figure out where the optimum shots in the cart are... i can tighten that in a little more. either way, i always have my pumpers and those are very accurate. 

[Airgunnr88]

I've never thought of the 1077 as anything other than a pellet hose.  It can be fun, but not my cup of tea, personally.  I've had mine for over 20 years, thought it was the coolest when I was a kid, but I outgrew it pretty fast.  I'm fussy about trigger pull, and that funky double-action revolver disguised as a rifle setup just doesn't do it for me, either.

[kbstingwing]

Mine only like's wadcutters and destroyer, it hates Domes and hollow points, but I only use it for short distances, PCP's for all other distances.

[jmoronic]

I have 2 of the Crosman 1077 rifles, one in wood and the other black plastic.
I don't expect them to be target guns. The barrel moves inside of the shroud making it hard to get a repeat shot on the same mark.
As mentioned the trigger is bad at best, but they are fun gus to customize for looks, and all around fun to shoot at cans.

[Spooner]

i bought it new in 2005 and it was fun but it sat for many, many years. had to replace the plug assembly and went in with a new valve as well. the Geo LDC fixes the barrel movement completely, so that is not an issue anymore. i could actually see the heavy pellets spiraling as they left the barrel, lol. i have many different types of pellets on hand, including destroyers... maybe later this summer? this one isnt a priority anymore as my 2400KT gets the job done at 25 yards with ease. 

[Rico14]

I bring out my 2 1077's when friends come over to shoot. They are accurate enough at 20 yards to hit soda cans. I'm using Crosman     Destroyer X pellets. They were cheap several years ago so I loaded up on them. When my friends come by, they bring the co2 cartridges. Everyone has a fun time and I don't have to use up my JSB's and H&N 's

[jmoronic]

I bring out my 2 1077's when friends come over to shoot. They are accurate enough at 20 yards to hit soda cans. I'm using Crosman     Destroyer X pellets. They were cheap several years ago so I loaded up on them. When my friends come by, they bring the co2 cartridges. Everyone has a fun time and I don't have to use up my JSB's and H&N 's

I agree the 1077 rifles are a great gun for fun shooting without a lot of you gotta do this, then you do this, and after that do this...
simple easy to use for anyone!

[Ribbonstone]

NOT good news...purely susbjective.

Tried two of them….if yours is still functioning and holding gas, are ahead of me.

Accuracy….well, pretty much the whole system works against you….it’s better than your average BB gun.

Both the ones I tried were for  tries at hitting moving targets.  Wasn’t looking for fine accuracy, just red dot fast on target kind of short range shooting….it kind of worked for that.  Accuracy wise, did just as well with the iron sights...likely could have done as well with shot gun bead.

Broke/leaked….fixed...broke/leaked….fixed….repeat until you get tired of it.

Learned a few things along the way.

1. I hate getting inside one to fix it. Ease of repair was NOT on the designer’s mind.
2. Once inside, can’t help but to think “toy”.
3. Gotta really like one to put up with one.

[jmoronic]

The 1077 is by no means my go to gun, it is a gun for people that stop by that don't normally shoot. It is simple to use once set up.
They are over priced junk at worst, and at best fun seim-auto plinkers. Now you know why I shoot so much better then my friends, they all get to use the 1077 while I'm using my modded 1377

[Back_Roads]

 Gave up on and gave away my 1077, still doing Okish with my Wildfire, added a Buck Rail LDC and since air is cheaper than CO2 I can put up with slow leaks.

[Spooner]

NOT good news...purely susbjective.

Tried two of them….if yours is still functioning and holding gas, are ahead of me.

Accuracy….well, pretty much the whole system works against you….it’s better than your average BB gun.

Both the ones I tried were for  tries at hitting moving targets.  Wasn’t looking for fine accuracy, just red dot fast on target kind of short range shooting….it kind of worked for that.  Accuracy wise, did just as well with the iron sights...likely could have done as well with shot gun bead.

Broke/leaked….fixed...broke/leaked….fixed….repeat until you get tired of it.

Learned a few things along the way.

1. I hate getting inside one to fix it. Ease of repair was NOT on the designer’s mind.
2. Once inside, can’t help but to think “toy”.
3. Gotta really like one to put up with one.

accuracy for me is the issue. my range is 25 to 35 yards and accuracy has to be there. this rifle just cant do it. it is probably great for tin cans at 20 yards or less but its whole design screams "range". i agree in that the whole system works against you from the really bad trigger to a barrel that floats in the end. the barrel can be corrected very inexpensively with Geo's LDC but the trigger... just no aftermarket options around it for how it is designed to work with the clip. mine doesnt leak, thankfully, and i have the original Airsource adapter that i also restored and maybe using the 88g tanks is answer to consistent charges between shots and accuracy but i doubt it? even after restoring the version 2 Airsource adapter that i have... it still has a very tiny leak. the way the rifles valve is setup with the transfer tube just pushed into an o-ring on each end just baffles me at how there are no leaks in the transfer from the plug to the valve?
working on the internals of the gun are a pain, but not terrible as long as you pay attention to where all the tiny parts are. working on the valve however is a whole different story. i went with a new one to avoid it. the original valve assembly from the first 1077's was much better in design but finding one of those has been impossible, not that it would help with accuracy though.

Co2 just isnt my preference. too many variables involved. i do like my 2400KT though and it has really good accuracy at the range i shoot but even it has limitations like temperature and only about 10-15 shots out of the cart are consistent where accuracy goes, but im ok with that. those shots are accurate and the range is there with it but it isnt one i can take out when cold weather is here.

i have a whole box of these Leeland carts that only fit in this rifle without getting stuck like they did in my 2400KT. i have some other types of pellets that i havent tried as well. for now... i just need to step away from this project and focus on the airguns i have that perform. time to stop working on airguns and start having fun with them.

Gave up on and gave away my 1077, still doing Okish with my Wildfire, added a Buck Rail LDC and since air is cheaper than CO2 I can put up with slow leaks.

i looked at the Wildfire briefly, but if i am going to go PCP, and im tempted to, i will go with a Marauder. 

The 1077 is by no means my go to gun, it is a gun for people that stop by that don't normally shoot. It is simple to use once set up.
They are over priced junk at worst, and at best fun seim-auto plinkers. Now you know why I shoot so much better then my friends, they all get to use the 1077 while I'm using my modded 1377

hahaha, no fair, lol. a properly setup modded (or even non modded) 1322 or 1377 will dance circles around a 1077. mine do. 



 

[Ribbonstone]

Yeah...was a bit harsh about the 1077.

Obviously I would not have tried two if I didn’t see them as fun and potentially useful. Wasn’t even the trigger, am use to shooting revolvers in double action and DAO semi-autos.

Just decided the air gun gods were not going to grant me one that didn’t leak and kept working.

Am guessing that if it came down to hitting a fast  moving zing-zag path little snake or mouse, ultimate accuracy wounld’t be as important as follow though and multi immediate shots.

[kbstingwing]

Might I suggest installing a Lother Walther barrel on it, it costs more than the gun is worth but it would improve the accuracy of the piece of junk..... or sell it to a friend for cheap, make a good lamp....

[Spooner]

Might I suggest installing a Lother Walther barrel on it, it costs more than the gun is worth but it would improve the accuracy of the piece of junk..... or sell it to a friend for cheap, make a good lamp....

TBH... i didnt even know a LW barrel was offered for the 1077? ummm... that would be no, lol. it really doesnt matter how much i spend or tweak this rifle... the ability for accuracy just isnt there. 

[Sfttailrdr46]

Consistent predictable accuracy is above all paramount. If I can't hit what I aim at, whatever the distance to target it is a deal-breaker for me. For me 10 yards one single ragged hole at 25 yards 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yards I like 1" to 1 1/2" groups. Don't always get that but most of my rifles shoot better than me. The only rifle that I will accept ragged 2" groups at 60 yards is my Evanix AirSpeed .25 semi-auto

[Rick67]

NOT good news...purely susbjective.

Tried two of them….if yours is still functioning and holding gas, are ahead of me.

Accuracy….well, pretty much the whole system works against you….it’s better than your average BB gun.

Both the ones I tried were for  tries at hitting moving targets.  Wasn’t looking for fine accuracy, just red dot fast on target kind of short range shooting….it kind of worked for that.  Accuracy wise, did just as well with the iron sights...likely could have done as well with shot gun bead.

Broke/leaked….fixed...broke/leaked….fixed….repeat until you get tired of it.

Learned a few things along the way.

1. I hate getting inside one to fix it. Ease of repair was NOT on the designer’s mind.
2. Once inside, can’t help but to think “toy”.
3. Gotta really like one to put up with one.

accuracy for me is the issue. my range is 25 to 35 yards and accuracy has to be there. this rifle just cant do it. it is probably great for tin cans at 20 yards or less but its whole design screams "range". i agree in that the whole system works against you from the really bad trigger to a barrel that floats in the end. the barrel can be corrected very inexpensively with Geo's LDC but the trigger... just no aftermarket options around it for how it is designed to work with the clip. mine doesnt leak, thankfully, and i have the original Airsource adapter that i also restored and maybe using the 88g tanks is answer to consistent charges between shots and accuracy but i doubt it? even after restoring the version 2 Airsource adapter that i have... it still has a very tiny leak. the way the rifles valve is setup with the transfer tube just pushed into an o-ring on each end just baffles me at how there are no leaks in the transfer from the plug to the valve?
working on the internals of the gun are a pain, but not terrible as long as you pay attention to where all the tiny parts are. working on the valve however is a whole different story. i went with a new one to avoid it. the original valve assembly from the first 1077's was much better in design but finding one of those has been impossible, not that it would help with accuracy though.

Co2 just isnt my preference. too many variables involved. i do like my 2400KT though and it has really good accuracy at the range i shoot but even it has limitations like temperature and only about 10-15 shots out of the cart are consistent where accuracy goes




Same here.

Have not shot my C02 and pumper guns in almost a year (?) 

I think you would be happy with a 1720T or a 1701P.

These guns are so easy to pump you might snob your 13xx and 22xx guns, I tell you.

Once replenished with air, all you have to do is cock, load, then shoot.

[jmoronic]

Okay, so I cheat a little my friends that don't shoot a lot really like the cool looking 1077 rifle, while I'm shooting my modded 1377 pistol.
it's all in good fun. they think they have the advantage!

[avator]

Bought a pair of the sometime back. Then found 2 of the 88g adapters nos in discount junk store and got a great deal on those. I really tried to like the guns but I found the same think that everyone else here found. I traded out the hangy adapters and sold the guns to a coworker to shoot with his grandson.

[Spooner]

Consistent predictable accuracy is above all paramount. If I can't hit what I aim at, whatever the distance to target it is a deal-breaker for me. For me 10 yards one single ragged hole at 25 yards 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yards I like 1" to 1 1/2" groups. Don't always get that but most of my rifles shoot better than me. The only rifle that I will accept ragged 2" groups at 60 yards is my Evanix AirSpeed .25 semi-auto

same here. i can accept a 1" or smaller group and all of my pumpers and the 2400KT can do that easily.

Same here.

Have not shot my C02 and pumper guns in almost a year (?) 

I think you would be happy with a 1720T or a 1701P.

These guns are so easy to pump you might snob your 13xx and 22xx guns, I tell you.

Once replenished with air, all you have to do is cock, load, then shoot.[/b][/size][/size]

im not quite ready to take the PCP plunge, but i have been looking and researching. 

Okay, so I cheat a little my friends that don't shoot a lot really like the cool looking 1077 rifle, while I'm shooting my modded 1377 pistol.
it's all in good fun. they think they have the advantage!

very nice looking modded 1377! 

Bought a pair of the sometime back. Then found 2 of the 88g adapters nos in discount junk store and got a great deal on those. I really tried to like the guns but I found the same think that everyone else here found. I traded out the hangy adapters and sold the guns to a coworker to shoot with his grandson.

the fact that you were able to find not one... but two AS adapters in the same place at the same time is a miracle in itself. yeah, me too. i wanted to get that spark of happiness back so badly for mine but it just isnt going to happen. i have spent countless hours and way too much money and it is no better than it was before. there are just no more options to explore. maybe a LW barrel is what solves it, maybe not? for what one would cost... it isnt worth it risking spending more money for to find out. some air rifles are just duds from the start and sadly... this is one of them. 

[jmoronic]

Consistent predictable accuracy is above all paramount. If I can't hit what I aim at, whatever the distance to target it is a deal-breaker for me. For me 10 yards one single ragged hole at 25 yards 1/2" to 3/4" at 50 yards I like 1" to 1 1/2" groups. Don't always get that but most of my rifles shoot better than me. The only rifle that I will accept ragged 2" groups at 60 yards is my Evanix AirSpeed .25 semi-auto

same here. i can accept a 1" or smaller group and all of my pumpers and the 2400KT can do that easily.

Same here.

Have not shot my C02 and pumper guns in almost a year (?) 


Thanks for the kind words for the 1377

I think you would be happy with a 1720T or a 1701P.

These guns are so easy to pump you might snob your 13xx and 22xx guns, I tell you.

Once replenished with air, all you have to do is cock, load, then shoot.[/b][/size][/size]

im not quite ready to take the PCP plunge, but i have been looking and researching. 

Okay, so I cheat a little my friends that don't shoot a lot really like the cool looking 1077 rifle, while I'm shooting my modded 1377 pistol.
it's all in good fun. they think they have the advantage!

very nice looking modded 1377! 

Bought a pair of the sometime back. Then found 2 of the 88g adapters nos in discount junk store and got a great deal on those. I really tried to like the guns but I found the same think that everyone else here found. I traded out the hangy adapters and sold the guns to a coworker to shoot with his grandson.

the fact that you were able to find not one... but two AS adapters in the same place at the same time is a miracle in itself. yeah, me too. i wanted to get that spark of happiness back so badly for mine but it just isnt going to happen. i have spent countless hours and way too much money and it is no better than it was before. there are just no more options to explore. maybe a LW barrel is what solves it, maybe not? for what one would cost... it isnt worth it risking spending more money for to find out. some air rifles are just duds from the start and sadly... this is one of them.