I Got Avenger 25 Back Still Leaking After AV Leak Fix

[RunsOnAir]

I believe I saw the YouTube video on this.

Yet they now are charging more for wood stock same poppet.

It should come with a new poppet at this point

Correct yeah. Pretty funny they don't fix the problem. #1 fail point. Kind of mind boggling that they havn't completely overhauled that whole issue but, as I always say, there is a but.

We have received reliable news about this regarding the Avenger's poppet upgrades (and parts availability) from Tyler from P.A a tad over a month ago. I just discovered it by chance. It may have gone unnoticed as it was part of an existing conversation and not a new thread.

Here is where the info from Tyler is given. Read the next few posts for the whole info:   https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org
/GTA/index.php?topic=186222.msg156137261#msg156137261

[BnHappy]

Wonderful! I wasted $30 mailing back the Av Avenger .25, for leak fix and it comes back with only 1200 psi in the tank after supposedly filling it and letting it sit overnight to ensure no leaks, then mailing it back to me. It took a week to get here and it's sitting at 1200 psi! hey!!

Obviously, Air Venturi could give a &^^& less that they sold you a sure-to-fail product, they know without a shadow of a doubt the poppet is bad, will make you eat the charge to send it back, and then not fix it and try to make you believe it's fixed. I haven't refilled it or shot it, nor run it over the Chronograph, but was told in the note sent back that it was tested and no power drop, all seals were replaced, and no leaks overnight before shipping it back to me.

I had a power drop running the 33.95 gr MKII's which were running around 870 fps, the power dropped off to the very low 800's and high 700's with the same pellet. Ok, I get some power drop when the gun settles in, but that's more than a drop from settling in, that's a problem. Then of course I got the wonderful air leak. Apparently, they forgot to mention that they couldn't replace the poppet or valve if there was an issue because they don't have the parts yet had me send it back anyway. The note says all the seals were replaced, power was fine, and no leaks. I haven't even aired it back up yet, I've been stewing and steaming over it for a few hours now. The only way to fix this thing is aftermarket parts, they could have told me that at the beginning instead of wasting my time and money to get a leaking gun back, not sure if anything at all was done to it so I haven't filled it and tested it yet because I may pop if it's still running the way it was when I sent it to them.

So, the moral of this story is, "Never buy an Air Venturi gun and never expect them to honor the warranty on anything." That's what I've learned and I'm sticking to it. I'm not speaking out of anger, I've taken a few hours to cool off at this point, but I will not waste another second on them wasting my money and time as if it's theirs to send me back a gun that may be leaking worse than when I sent it to them the first time, just nonsense, horrible repair service with horrible company morals. I think the part that makes me the angriest is that they were not gonna fix it in the first place, they know they didn't carry the parts, knew more than likely what the issue was, yet had me send it to them anyway, that just makes me so mad, and if this weren't a forum that I have to mince my words I'd be spewing paragraph after paragraph of choice words of what I think about the whole mess.

Not so happy!

UPDATE:

[AKM]

I always cringe when folks here recommend the Avenger as the first air gun for a new PCP shooter. Makes no sense to me?
First impressions mean everything.

[Gone Fishing]

Hey sorry I didn't come back to this thread. I don't think the content is political but you could make it so if you want (I don't see a need). We make consumer choices everyday, so I don't see why only China made products get an exemption of critique.

What I mean by dictatorship is that China does live under a communist dictatorship, and there is forced labor camps there and there are concentration camps (Uyghur muslims among other unwanteds). So in both QC consistency and in their government, their guns are as close to poop as it comes in my opinion. Like I said in my first post, I love the people, but don't like their dictatorship. Everyone has different value judgements, and mine are that products that support a dictatorship and include slave labor among many more atrocities are just poop. I would say the same about a German guns if the same things were happening there.

Can they produce the same quality as USA products? Of course. Do they consistently, across brands, supply the same QC as other countries? No, no they do not. The reason for that is they lack the freedom of most capitalist societies, and because of that also lack the competitive QC standards and instead utilize cheap and slave labor to outdo QC with budget items. Being selective on buying products or not buying products is a conscious choice. I don't have an iPhone for the same reason. I love Chinese people and support their eventual freedom, but I decide not to support their evil dictatorship every chance I get. Most of my products are not made in China....I spend usually 2xmore but that is what it will take. Of course sometimes a product from there is the only choice, but whenever I do have a choice I make it. I love a lot of the ideas that come out of China when it comes to airguns, and some of them are really ingenious, but as a consumer I make a choice to buy from elsewhere. This is a global economy, and I can buy from any nation state and anyone I want. See it isn't political, it is just economics and we do this stuff every day even with American brands we don't like (say a grocery product whose QC or brand is unethical or so on). I will happily reconsider China as a source for products when their government is replaced wiith a democracy. Until then, if a Chinese person or any other nationality makes a gun in another nation state, other than China, I will happily buy it if it meets my needs.

I think I saw the word hate above regarding being critical of Chinese products for QC and ethical reasons. Whenever I see someone say something like "you are being hateful" as a response to a consumer decision, based on ethical evaluations during the purchasing process, I try to remember that most Americans don't think this out as deeply, and that most peopl26&6:::5-4++!3:6$6364:e use the word hateful now to shutdown a valid logical argument.

As for the Avenger, cool product at a great price. But that is, to my point, the issue isn't it: it comes with a heavy price that no one has to see, as do all their products. I am not ignorant of that.

I do love that everyone is okay with being critical of American companies that do not hold good QC standards or their ethical practices are less than ideal, but mention that for for a company in China, oh snap you done effffed up.



As for first impressions, ethical issues aside, the gun is meh. I checked it out. Lots of features for a cheap price, but not quality but everyone already knows that. So I agree with this guy:

I always cringe when folks here recommend the Avenger as the first air gun for a new PCP shooter. Makes no sense to me?
First impressions mean everything.

Yes first impressions to a sport are everything. The Avenger shoots actually pretty good but it isn't a good first impressions gun IMO. I would choose the Marauder over it by a long shot.