Lost My Mind, Beeman Chief II in 177 Is Coming !

[wll2506]

Ya, bought a synthetic Chief II in 177 for $179.00. Will shoot slugs 12.5gr to 15gr for long range stuff.

Plan on putting out about 22 fpe at 825fps with 15gr slugs ---- and with the high BC slugs, I get 18+fpe at 65 yards, and a drop of ~1 inch at 50 yards --- This should be a tightrope sighted in at 40 yards !!

I do think with the Chief II I can get that velocity without to much problem .... Ribbonstone will chime in for sure - ) ---- maybe Nervoustrigger also - )


wll

[Ribbonstone]

Have no experience with the Chief II...and a little confusion. 

Beeman is messing with me here.

 Isn’t the wood stocked Chief II listed as a 2K fill (like the Chief)….but the Chief II synthetic stock listed as a 3K fill (like the Commander).  If that’s true, then something more than a stock change is going on.

Can’t tell by the pictures what sized (diameter) the air tube really is….could be the “fat” tube used on the Chief…..could be the skinny air tube….ain’t gonna buy one just to find out.


Considering your previous posts, you may be OK….can make a part if needs be….’cause I’ve had no luck getting parts (check out the blown poppet posts and the Crosman mag conversion posts). 
For a new guy, I’d wave you off….but likely you can deal with it if the time comes.

So more questions than advice:

Is it really a 3K fill rifle? (SHAME I to have to write that, but as an old guy remembering the “classic” Beeman, the current beeman deserves the lower case “b”).

Does it use a basic QB type valve (skinny tube like the co2 rifles) or the fat Chief valve (fatter tube)?


If it is a 3K rifle, then it likely would come out the box near what you expect (like 19-23foot pounds in .177)..or easily adjusted to be that with no mods.  Out the box, the single shot Chief would at 2K (just not for a long string).

One way to look at it is 3K is 1/3rd MORE air than 2K....so if adjusted like the 2K Chief, should get more shots per fill at the same energy.

[wll2506]

Have no experience with the Chief II...and a little confusion. 

Beeman is messing with me here.

 Isn’t the wood stocked Chief II listed as a 2K fill (like the Chief)….but the Chief II synthetic stock listed as a 3K fill (like the Commander).  If that’s true, then something more than a stock change is going on.

Can’t tell by the pictures what sized (diameter) the air tube really is….could be the “fat” tube used on the Chief…..could be the skinny air tube….ain’t gonna buy one just to find out.


Considering your previous posts, you may be OK….can make a part if needs be….’cause I’ve had no luck getting parts (check out the blown poppet posts and the Crosman mag conversion posts). 
For a new guy, I’d wave you off….but likely you can deal with it if the time comes.

So more questions than advice:

Is it really a 3K fill rifle? (SHAME I to have to write that, but as an old guy remembering the “classic” Beeman, the current beeman deserves the lower case “b”).

Does it use a basic QB type valve (skinny tube like the co2 rifles) or the fat Chief valve (fatter tube)?


If it is a 3K rifle, then it likely would come out the box near what you expect (like 19-23foot pounds in .177)..or easily adjusted to be that with no mods.  Out the box, the single shot Chief would at 2K (just not for a long string).

One way to look at it is 3K is 1/3rd MORE air than 2K....so if adjusted like the 2K Chief, should get more shots per fill at the same energy.

I checked all over and yes the Chief II is 3000 psi ... That is the reason I bought it for that extra poop to push a heavy 177cal slugs. If it was 2000 psi I would not have done it. My QB with 1000 psi output and shooting 12.5gr slugs is getting around 775 fps ... I do think the 825fps with 154gr slugs is possible with this gun.

Believe me I will write about it -  )

wll

[Ribbonstone]

Just seemed odd that the wood stocked Chief II is listed at 2K….plastic stock at 3K….but I’ve kind of grown use to odd things from Beeman in the last years.

Beeman Chief II Synthetic PCP Air Rifle | Pyramyd Air

Beeman Chief II Air Rifle - PCP Repeater | Pyramyd Air

[K.O.]

well I'll be it is 3000...

https://beeman.com/product/beeman-new-chief-ii-1335-177-caliber-air-rifle/

[Ribbonstone]

Should be the 3K version (using the ad pics, can mag up and read the stamping on the front of the air tube).

Projected speed should be doable...a little adjusting, likely no mods….wouldn’t be surprised to see more than 825fps with that weight pellet. 

[wll2506]

Should be the 3K version (using the ad pics, can mag up and read the stamping on the front of the air tube).

Projected speed should be doable...a little adjusting, likely no mods….wouldn’t be surprised to see more than 825fps with that weight pellet.

Yes, I THINK so. Thought i would get the gun today but it will arrive on Thursday, Yes, I'm impatient as %$#*&.

Will be testing out slugs with this gun, both 12.5gr and the 15gr'rs. Nick "MAY" have some heavier 177 cal slugs coming out after he does his testing ;- )

Now the big question: Does anyone make a regulator for this gun ? Not a Lane, that I would need to drill a hole in my gun type ?


wll

[wll2506]

Should be the 3K version (using the ad pics, can mag up and read the stamping on the front of the air tube).

Projected speed should be doable...a little adjusting, likely no mods….wouldn’t be surprised to see more than 825fps with that weight pellet.

Yes, I THINK so. Thought i would get the gun today but it will arrive on Thursday, Yes, I'm impatient as %$#*&.

Will be testing out slugs with this gun, both 12.5gr and the 15gr'rs. Nick "MAY" have some heavier 177 cal slugs coming out after he does his testing ;- )

Now the big question: Does anyone make a regulator for this gun ? Not a Lane, that I would need to drill a hole in my gun type ?


wll

Sure is VERY, VERY funny that Chief II is 2000psi but the synthetic is 3000psi. I think the Synthetic although cheaper is an upgrade to the Chief II. I will gladly take that extra 1000psi. I could be very, very wrong but this could be a real sleeper - ) Wonder if the changed the Poppet also ?

Would love to get a second barrel band for extra security also, I'll check the man who shall not be named web site.

wll

[mrbulk]

Hmmm, I see it is a repeater as well. Interesting.

[wll2506]

Hmmm, I see it is a repeater as well. Interesting.

Yes, it looks like a Chief II with a nice looking synthetic stock, but they upped the psi in the holding tank. They "MAY" have upped other things also, but who knows. The airgun market is so competitive at the different price points, the only way to stay ahead is on price and features. This gun may have done that for the ~$200.00 price point !

wll

[Ribbonstone]

Supposition until proof.

Can figure out a few things as soon as you get it, without taking it apart.

Price wise, the $180 is a great price for a 3K repeater.

Hard to guess the diameters from an ad-picture, but if the outside diameter of the air tube is about 1.25”, suspect it will have Chief sized “guts”.

A regular QB tube is more like .865” outside diameter...which is also why all the “guts” (valve/striker/end caps) are different from QB’s.

So it is likely the 3K tube they used on the Commander….and likely the Chief ‘s “guts”.


IF that is right...it’s a Commander sized tube...then:

Does use the same QB78 trigger...which isn’t perfect, but is adjustable and can make for a good trigger by just twiddling the (tiny) provided screws.  If you are a real trigger-ho, could shim the looseness out.

At least Beeman ( thought Pyramid air) does advertise spare mags….so likely Beeman has started to supply at least some basic parts.  Honestly, aren’t impressive mags, but they do work..but you’d need at least two to make having a repeater really useful.


Once you k now the INSIDE diameter, can hunt up regs that might work (besides the Lane).  Have some regulated rifles, mostly for long-long shot counts at lower power….unregulated for short shot counts at high power (logic being if I have to hit the "bejesus" out of something, I don't have to do it that often).

[mrbulk]

Hmmm, this may actually be a really Really new “in between” version - check this comparison review between the Chief II @2000psi fill and Beeman Commander @3000psi:

[Ribbonstone]

Watched it....thinking "bigger air tank" isn't correct....thinking 3K would be "bigger" than 2K wood stocked Chief II, but look the same physical size to me...so 136cc's at 3K is "bigger" than 136cc's at 2K so far the amount of air.

[CraigH]

I am sure that all Chief II rifles are 2000 psi maximum fill, and the 3000 psi figure is an error.   There are a couple of other errors in the advertising copy.

I would not order without guaranteed verification.

[wll2506]

I am sure that all Chief II rifles are 2000 psi maximum fill, and the 3000 psi figure is an error.   There are a couple of other errors in the advertising copy.

I would not order without guaranteed verification.

I think u may be incorrect, I have seen close up pics and the manometer reads to 3000 psi and there is a warning on the tube that says don't fill over 3000 psi --- but we will see tomorrow when I get mine --- stay tuned :-)

wll

[mrbulk]

I think u may be incorrect, I have seen close up pics and the manometer reads to 3000 psi and there is a warning on the tube that says don't fill over 3000 psi --- but we will see tomorrow when I get mine --- stay tuned :-)

wll

[Rick67]

I am sure that all Chief II rifles are 2000 psi maximum fill, and the 3000 psi figure is an error.   There are a couple of other errors in the advertising copy.

I would not order without guaranteed verification.

I think u may be incorrect, I have seen close up pics and the manometer reads to 3000 psi and there is a warning on the tube that says don't fill over 3000 psi --- but we will see tomorrow when I get mine --- stay tuned :-)

wll

Yeah, the details are indeed not conclusive, lol!

Ransony has them:



https://www.ransony.com/collections/airguns/brand_beeman

[CraigH]

I am sure that all Chief II rifles are 2000 psi maximum fill, and the 3000 psi figure is an error.   There are a couple of other errors in the advertising copy.

I would not order without guaranteed verification.

I think u may be incorrect, I have seen close up pics and the manometer reads to 3000 psi and there is a warning on the tube that says don't fill over 3000 psi --- but we will see tomorrow when I get mine --- stay tuned :-)

wll

I do not mind being wrong.  Only the truth matters.   But I think we are both right and both wrong.

After some searching, it is not that the synthetic stock version is a 3000 psi model.   In fact there are Chief II's and Chief II Plus models.   I found a website (foreign language) with a wood stock Chief II Plus that clearly shows a 3000 psi fill level

So there are Chief models, Chief II models in wood and synthetic, and Chief II Plus models in wood and synthetic.   Makes Commanders somewhat redundant.

So, for the short term, we have a number of variants in the hands of vendors.   Order carefully.   

[wll2506]

I am sure that all Chief II rifles are 2000 psi maximum fill, and the 3000 psi figure is an error.   There are a couple of other errors in the advertising copy.

I would not order without guaranteed verification.

I think u may be incorrect, I have seen close up pics and the manometer reads to 3000 psi and there is a warning on the tube that says don't fill over 3000 psi --- but we will see tomorrow when I get mine --- stay tuned :-)

wll

I do not mind being wrong.  Only the truth matters.   But I think we are both right and both wrong.

After some searching, it is not that the synthetic stock version is a 3000 psi model.   In fact there are Chief II's and Chief II Plus models.   I found a website (foreign language) with a wood stock Chief II Plus that clearly shows a 3000 psi fill level

So there are Chief models, Chief II models in wood and synthetic, and Chief II Plus models in wood and synthetic.   Makes Commanders somewhat redundant.

So, for the short term, we have a number of variants in the hands of vendors.   Order carefully.   

Craig, good post and good info -- it will be interesting to see what I get ;-)  I'll keep you posted with pics when I get it later this afternoon. If this gun does have a 3000 psi tank, this could be a real sleeper gun -- We will see ?

wll

[wll2506]

Well, well, well it is a Chief II Plus --- That is the reason it has a 3000 psi tank ! and yes they never said that in the advertising, as you can see it says Chief II PLUS and the box says 3000psi.

I could not open the box at work but that is poor advertising on Pyramid Airs part in not saying it is a Plus. At that price it is a whale of a deal and it has the best features of a chief II and the Commander, minus the bigger tank.




Pictures of gun to follow, with a scope attached. ;- )

wll