Help with 1st PCP and Pump

[Marc]

I was under the impression Crosman PCP and pump guns were US made (or at least assembled???).  I know their break barrels are not.

Was I wrong there?

[Ribbonstone]

Can’t try them all.

Occasionally tried lowering the power/increasing shot count with PCP’s that started out powerful….always ended up modding them.   Pretty much reverse engineering the US rifles to sub-12 foot pound UK versions.

(At one point...didn’t Crosman have the Euro versions of the Maxi…..which didn’t sell real well here.   If not mistekn, was the first Crosman offered with a threaded muzzle (adaptor or not)..and at least some US shooters bought them for that reason, mostly powering them "up" after.)

Not sure everyone wants to take them apart to mod them….if you do, and don’t mind hosing the warranted on a new rifle, can likely get anything  to work. 


f you are more of an adjust-what they gave you type, worked out better with PCP’s that started off at medium power and some external adjustments.  Whatever you do with provided adjustments, can be just as easily un-done to get back to where you started.


Aren’t any agreements...but by US standards, would consider anything  under 12 foot pounds in .177 or under 20 foot pounds in .22 as “slow”.  Usually think of .177’s in the 5-7  foot pound range as “match speeds” (aren’t enough .22 PCP shooters playing around in the shallow end.)


US made...assembled in the US...every year it gets harder and harder to tell what's what.  NONE of them are 100% made by the company....may be outsourced to anyone that can meet the specs. at the required price.

[Hoosier Daddy]

I was under the impression Crosman PCP and pump guns were US made (or at least assembled???).  I know their break barrels are not.

Was I wrong there?

The "Craftsman Collection" from Crosman is under contract from Kral in Turkey.

[Archdesigner03]

I just got the Prod with ebay chinese pump as my first pcp with no regrets. Easy to pump, compact, nice trigger, decent aftermarket parts available, and shoots dime to nickel size groups with H&N FTT 14.66 and JSB 14.35 @ 32 yards zero. I was looking at umarex origin and glad I didn't go that route as it requires you to pump 100 times!? As easy as Prod is to pump, I was quite winded after only 35-40 pumps haha.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Pumping is only related to power and shots taken, the reservoir size is irrelevant.

[Marc]

I just got the Prod with ebay chinese pump as my first pcp with no regrets. Easy to pump, compact, nice trigger, decent aftermarket parts available, and shoots dime to nickel size groups with H&N FTT 14.66 and JSB 14.35 @ 32 yards zero. I was looking at umarex origin and glad I didn't go that route as it requires you to pump 100 times!? As easy as Prod is to pump, I was quite winded after only 35-40 pumps haha.

That sounds like a good way to go.  How many shots do you get on a fill?  And shooting it is probably still less work than a modded 1322 carbine??  Or no?

[Archdesigner03]

I just got the Prod with ebay chinese pump as my first pcp with no regrets. Easy to pump, compact, nice trigger, decent aftermarket parts available, and shoots dime to nickel size groups with H&N FTT 14.66 and JSB 14.35 @ 32 yards zero. I was looking at umarex origin and glad I didn't go that route as it requires you to pump 100 times!? As easy as Prod is to pump, I was quite winded after only 35-40 pumps haha.

That sounds like a good way to go.  How many shots do you get on a fill?  And shooting it is probably still less work than a modded 1322 carbine??  Or no?

I fill to 2900 psi and shoots down to 1450 psi.  That gives me 4 solid magazine clips of 8 shots per clip totaling 32 shots before fill. Max velocity I got is 703 fps with minimum of 622 fps with average of 660 fps on 14.4 grain pellet and on factory setting. You can go for the 5th magazine clip of 8 shots more but your velocity will be in the 500 fps rage using 14.3 grain pellets.

Overall,  it is definitely easier to pump 40 times beforehand for 32-40 shots for the PRod than to pump 10 times for each shot for the 1322. I am actually having a difficult time going back to my 1322 as it feels so antiquated having to pump so many times before each shot.

[Marc]

Thanks!  I thought that's how it may be - much appreciated.

[Lostkiwi]

I would like to stay under $400 if possible - but have a little wiggle room too.

Yeah good luck hitting that point if you feel like buying only American made.  I understand where you're coming from but I actually like the idea of supporting this industry and the people who make it happen, regardless of where those who are supporting me and whose efforts are making my lifestyle possible happen to have been born.

So if you can get over your issues with China the Artemis PP 700 is a great little gun for well within your budget and shoots like something much more expensive.  You could get it and a pump for $300.  You can buy all kinds of parts - different barrels, regulator, etc. great little gun can shoot lots of low power shots and be pushed up to 15 fpe or so. 

My airforce guns are American made (I guess) but German barrel and the bottle must be from China.  So assembled in America I guess.

+1 on the PP700SA.
Started out with the standard factory stock and have now moved onto a 3d printed stock.

It's a great little gun and with Hawke 2-7x32 and SAK moderator comes in under 5.5 lb so super lightweight too.

[null]

I've got a lot of airguns... and I keep coming back to Crosman brands (Benjamin)...

My favorite airgun is the Fortitude. My Marauder rifle used to be my favorite, it now just sits since I got the Fortitude.

I like the Fortitude because of the following:
1. I get 120-130 shots on one fill so less trips to the compressor (or hand pump).
2. The shots are predictable and accurate. More accurate than my MROD.
3. It is insanely quiet -- no LDC required. Very backyard and hunting friendly.
4. It's regulated from the factory, so no worries on losing/voiding your warranty.
5. It's fit and form is much better than the MROD.
6. Shoots most pellets and most bullets/slugs very well.
7. Well balanced and easy to shoot from a standing position.
8. Shares some parts from the Discovery/Maxiumus and parts are easy to find (Have not had to do anything to mine since I got it!).

I don't like:
1. No rubber butt pad (but easily fixable).
2. Trigger itself is plastic (although shooting it this winter, it was better than shooting my guns with metal triggers, so it's kind of a wash).
3. Trigger pull is hard, but some like that. I've had worse.

All in all, I highly recommend the Fortitude.

Folks are starting to make aftermarket mods for them as well. I'm going to wait for mine to go out of warranty before touching it. Especially since Crosman isn't too far down the road for me.

[Marc]

I've got a lot of airguns... and I keep coming back to Crosman brands (Benjamin)...

My favorite airgun is the Fortitude. My Marauder rifle used to be my favorite, it now just sits since I got the Fortitude.

I like the Fortitude because of the following:
1. I get 120-130 shots on one fill so less trips to the compressor (or hand pump).
2. The shots are predictable and accurate. More accurate than my MROD.
3. It is insanely quiet -- no LDC required. Very backyard and hunting friendly.
4. It's regulated from the factory, so no worries on losing/voiding your warranty.
5. It's fit and form is much better than the MROD.
6. Shoots most pellets and most bullets/slugs very well.
7. Well balanced and easy to shoot from a standing position.
8. Shares some parts from the Discovery/Maxiumus and parts are easy to find (Have not had to do anything to mine since I got it!).

I don't like:
1. No rubber butt pad (but easily fixable).
2. Trigger itself is plastic (although shooting it this winter, it was better than shooting my guns with metal triggers, so it's kind of a wash).
3. Trigger pull is hard, but some like that. I've had worse.

All in all, I highly recommend the Fortitude.

Folks are starting to make aftermarket mods for them as well. I'm going to wait for mine to go out of warranty before touching it. Especially since Crosman isn't too far down the road for me.

I just keep hearing good things about the Fortitude.  How is it hand pumping?   And if you can get that many shots, I guess you could probably not pump it all the way to keep it easier and still get a lot of shots - just my logic, but is it realistic?

[null]

I've only pumped it a few times with a Hill MK4 and it's not bad. I'm 5'4" and a lanky runner-build at 115lbs and it's OK for me.

Realistically, I can get 150 rounds out of a fill, if I bringing it all the way down to 500 PSI. But at 120 rounds, it will go to 1000 psi, which is fine.

Usually when I shoot PB's, I stop at 100 rounds before taking a break. So it fits my typical shooting style.

Not to mention, I've got 16 mags, because these mags work on a bunch of other guns, not just the MROD and Fortitude. Also a few of my Umarex guns too. You can also get high capacity mags for this platform too.

[null]

Forgot to add, the 120 rounds is at full 3000 psi down to 1000 psi.

[Marc]

Forgot to add, the 120 rounds is at full 3000 psi down to 1000 psi.

That's a lot of shots - is it a 0.177" or 0.22"?  I wonder if there is much difference in shot count between the two calibers?

[null]

It's .22.

I'm not sure on .177. All that I know is that I am very pleased with the gun and it's platform.

I plan on modifying my MROD to fit a larger cylinder and to regulate it to give the Fortitude some competition. But that's down the line. Got too many other tinkering projects.

I'm currently working on a freshened up FX Impact X MKII....

[Ribbonstone]

Can’t beat energy in (the amount/pressure of air)vs. energy out.

.22 genrally earns more energy out, uses more of the energy in per shot, so fewer total shots.

If you leveled them and got both shooting the same ENERGY, shot count could be pretty close.

But lets say a.177 gets it’s 10foot pounds from going 750fps (8gr.pellets)….the .22 would have tobe more like 14.3gr. At 560fps.

[Lostkiwi]

Here in the UK where were restricted to 12 ft,/lb it seems the .22 is less air hungry than .177 due to the increased surface area behind the pellet making it more efficient in relation to the surface area of the pellet where it touches the barrel.

[kbstingwing]

Forgot to add, the 120 rounds is at full 3000 psi down to 1000 psi.

That's a lot of shots - is it a 0.177" or 0.22"?  I wonder if there is much difference in shot count between the two calibers?

go with .22, if you lower the power you will get more shots from .22 at 10FPE, I personally like the P-rod, I just bought one and it is Accurate with crosman Hollow points and domes, and if you lower the power to 10 FPE you can get more than 60+ shots from it, I don't know how the Fortitude is, but the trigger on the P-rod is very nice, adjustable, and all the hop up stuff available, they're both from crosman so your money your decision....

[Marc]

Forgot to add, the 120 rounds is at full 3000 psi down to 1000 psi.

That's a lot of shots - is it a 0.177" or 0.22"?  I wonder if there is much difference in shot count between the two calibers?

go with .22, if you lower the power you will get more shots from .22 at 10FPE, I personally like the P-rod, I just bought one and it is Accurate with crosman Hollow points and domes, and if you lower the power to 10 FPE you can get more than 60+ shots from it, I don't know how the Fortitude is, but the trigger on the P-rod is very nice, adjustable, and all the hop up stuff available, they're both from crosman so your money your decision....

That's what I have been thinking on, and leaning towards.  I have learned the value of a good trigger.  But - how do you lower the power of the P-Rod?