Hatsan 130 - does anyone have one, especially in .22 or .25?

[Kragman1]

So, I like the concept of the model 130 - it has the 135 power plant in a stock that looks comfortable and useable, the better trigger, sights(!), the SAS bolt, the little baffle, etc.

Websites outside the US show them in 3 calibers but I can't find them for sale in anything but .30 here and I'm not interested in a .30

But a .25 springer with range, or a .22 springer that favors heavy pellets?  Sounds very interesting to me....

So if anyone out there owns or has owned one in any caliber, I'd love to hear about your experience.

[Mossonarock]

I had one in .30 cal. Later, I bought a 135 in .25 cal. Then I switched stocks. The 130 stock is very utilitarian. However, the walnut wood stock on the 135 can be refinished very nicely. Sometimes, there's some nice wood under that awful stain that Hatsan used. I don't think either stock makes the gun easier to shoot accurately or better handling.

[Back_Roads]

 I have the 125 in .25 spring piston, synthetic stock broke using it in cold weather, built a plywood stock for it. But It shoots 25 gr. JSB at 850 fps very accurately, and has blasted many a bunny.
 I also have the 135 in .177 vortex wood stock version likes JSB 13.34 gr. pellets best, but will shoot Crosman 10.5 domes decently at 1000 FPS and lays the smack down on target, with as much power as mid power .22 break barrels.
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[Toxylon]

I have the 125 in .25 spring piston, synthetic stock broke using it in cold weather

This is maybe the 5th time I've heard of Hatsan plastic stocks breaking in cold weather. Synth stock 125's are the most common Hatsans available to me, but I wouldn't pay even 50 bucks for one. I shoot in freezing weather all the time.

[Kragman1]

Back roads - a 25 grain pellet at 850 = 40 fpe...

Did you mean a 25 at 750 fps...?

[Kragman1]

Back Roads - 2 questions:

1.  Which plastic stock broke - the standard or the thumbnails?

2.  Did you mean a 25 grain pellet at 850 fps?  If so, youre getting 40 fpe, so I'm guessing that you meant a 25 grain at 750 instead.
Set me straight....

[Back_Roads]

 Yes 750 my bad, and the stocks I had break were the standard stocks.

[Kragman1]

Thank you Back Roads.

And I apologize for the double post - the first one seemed to fail on my end, so I posted again. Of course, the first one went through after all.....

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

I have the 125 in .25 spring piston, synthetic stock broke using it in cold weather

This is maybe the 5th time I've heard of Hatsan plastic stocks breaking in cold weather. Synth stock 125's are the most common Hatsans available to me, but I wouldn't pay even 50 bucks for one. I shoot in freezing weather all the time.

I Broke 2 of them in cold weather. ( - 27F & - 7 F )
One was on a 125 Magnum with a Thumb Hole Stock and the other was on an 85 Sniper.
Both rifle were spring piston.
Both had camo stocks. ( I have never had a problem with the black stocks.)
Both rifles took sever blows on tree trunks, while I was out hunting on snowshoes & going down steep hills in deep snow.
I have also broken wood stocks on other rifles in the same way.
I haven't ever had any problems with them under "normal" winter shooting.
On the 85 sniper I replaced the stock as it was non repairable.
On the 125 Thumbhole rifle, it cracked at the piviot screw area. I repaired it by doing a plastic weld on it.
So far the repair has held up for over a year.

Best Wishes - Tom

Note:

Below is a picture of the .25 cal.Hatsan 125 TH after the plastic weld repair.
You are looking at the side that the weld is on.
I did the weld on the inside of the stock so as not to be so noticeable.
The outside of the stock got repaired with a clear epoxy glue.
Soooo..can you spot where the crack is ? 

[Blowpipe Sam]

If you compare Hatsan’s Published stats for the 125 and 135 series they are identical for all calibers except of course for the .30 which is not available on the 125 platform.  It would seem that a model 125 in .25 caliber could match a model 135 in the same caliber.  Why not just get a model125 in .25 cal?  Kenny Kormandy loved the 125  and did a series of videos on tuning the 125 vortex sniper in .25.  He thought it was the best break barrel you could buy.

[Kragman1]

I've been looking at them too.
I know that they have less swept volume, and I figure "in for a penny, in for a pound".
That said, it seems that finding a 130 in .22 or .25 is probably a wild goose chase, so the 125 TH is looking better every day.

I'm not in a rush, and I'm getting more familiar with some of the rifles I don't shoot much.  Or at all - I've had a Diana 45 for so long that I have no recollection of where I got it, finally shot it tonight.
Lesson of the day...?  The T-01 trigger suits me very much!

[Toxylon]

If you compare Hatsan’s Published stats for the 125 and 135 series they are identical for all calibers

That's just the thing - for some curious reason Hatsan - who does not generally boost their MV numbers - states that the 125 and the 135 have identical velocities. But this is simply not true, as people who have chronoed both can tell. The 135 puts out around 60 fps more in MV and a whopping 20 % or so more in KE, thanks to the larger swept volume of the gun.

But an even bigger reason to bypass the 125 is the plastic stock they come with. Very few people have anything good to say about Hatsan plastics, and I hate them for a good number of reasons. The 135 comes with an (optional) walnut stock, which are very good value, in contrast.

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

If you compare Hatsan’s Published stats for the 125 and 135 series they are identical for all calibers

That's just the thing - for some curious reason Hatsan - who does not generally boost their MV numbers - states that the 125 and the 135 have identical velocities. But this is simply not true, as people who have chronoed both can tell. The 135 puts out around 60 fps more in MV and a whopping 20 % or so more in KE, thanks to the larger swept volume of the gun.

But an even bigger reason to bypass the 125 is the plastic stock they come with. Very few people have anything good to say about Hatsan plastics, and I hate them for a good number of reasons. The 135 comes with an (optional) walnut stock, which are very good value, in contrast.

Hi Duke.

I can understand your & other peoples preference for wooden rifle stocks.
The plastic stocks are not much to look at.
They certainly do take away from the appearance of a rifle.

As for myself, I prefer the plastic ones because I hunt with mine under sever conditions. 
A wooden stock just gets all chewed up doing what I do with my rifles.
After a while they don't look so nice anymore, in fact they look really bad. (Deep scratches & gouges)
A plastic rifle stock does better with rocks, rain, sand, ice & snow.


Also...when things get really cold, I shoot my 2 spring piston rifles.
The 3 gas ram rifles I have, stay parked in my gun safe when the temps drop below +10 F.
The seals in my gas ram rifles can get stiff and hard in below zero temps and the gas rams can then leak & loose gas pressure.
That can lead to premature gas ram failure.
There is manufacture's advertising on gas rams, that state that they are better under cold conditions. I don't feel that is true.
Even if they do not leak down, the ram pressure will drop somewhat, if they are used under sever cold conditions.
This leads to pellet velocity loss and shot placement problems. The scopes have to be re-zeroed for cold weather use on a gas ram rifle.
The spring guns stay pretty much the same cold or warm and there is no chance of gas leakage at below zero temps.


I don't necessarily recommend plastic rife stocks, this is just what I prefer & why.

Everybody's preferences should be based on what they want out of their rifles & how their rifles will be used.



Best Wishes - Tom

[Mossonarock]

Everybody's preferences should be based on what they want out of their rifles & how their rifles will be used.

And it really helps us to develop our preferences when folks like yourself share your experiences. Thank you. Its been interesting.

Kragman1- Those Diana 45 were good guns.

[mac]

Everybody's preferences should be based on what they want out of their rifles & how their rifles will be used.

And it really helps us to develop our preferences when folks like yourself share your experiences. Thank you. Its been interesting.

Kragman1- Those Diana 45 were good guns.

+1

[Toxylon]

As for myself, I prefer the plastic ones because I hunt with mine under sever conditions. 
A wooden stock just gets all chewed up doing what I do with my rifles.
After a while they don't look so nice anymore, in fact they look really bad. (Deep scratches & gouges)
A plastic rifle stock does better with rocks, rain, sand, ice & snow.

Good to hear from you, Tom!

At the risk of repeating myself: I wouldn't get a plastic stock Hatsan for more than a dime (figuratively), because: plastic stocks are loud (ringing), they spoil the balance of magnum guns (barrel-heavy), and they are weak. It is quite rare to hear about a wood-stocked springer with a broken stock. When it comes to Hatsan plastics, I hear weekly (no exaggeration) about a broken Hatsan plastic stock. Cold weather is a clear risk for them, and I shoot and hunt in freezing weather all the time.

I hunt and field shoot the year round, and I honestly do not recognize your experience with wood stocks there. My longest stretch this far with the same, wood-stocked springer is three years straight under every imaginable condition, and save for a couple of miniscule scratches, the beechwood stock is as good as new. Just the thought of cocking a 125 or 135 in freezing weather in the woods, and the plastic stock cracks, rendering the weapon useless, is enough for me to keep with the woodies.

I haven't heard of Diana etc. plastic stocks breaking in use, so this is a Hatsan specialty. But even very-high-dollar synthetic stocks are not for me, for the already mentioned reasons, plus esthetics.

But, there are no two airgunners that agreed with each other 100 %, and neither have to be wrong in the least for this to be true. Best wishes to you, as well!

[Kragman1]

Thanks all.

Mossonarock - I will say that the 45 is interesting.  It it clearly a well made rifle, and just as clearly made from an older perspective on airguns.  The square bottomed stock and "square" triggerguard are Exhibits A & B.  ha ha

The barrel swivel and ball detent are extremely well done, the trigger is crisp, the bore and crown were quality made, and so were the sights.

I did find that my forward stock screws looswned on me (should have checked first -doh!), but the only actual problem I had shooting it was the narrow and pointed shape of the front blade.  It simply blurred away and gave me fits.  Hard to gauge bondage, very hard to gauge elevation.  Still shot good groups when I got the stock screws semi-tight.

So, now I need yet another springer safe scope!  Argh!

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

As for myself, I prefer the plastic ones because I hunt with mine under sever conditions. 
A wooden stock just gets all chewed up doing what I do with my rifles.
After a while they don't look so nice anymore, in fact they look really bad. (Deep scratches & gouges)
A plastic rifle stock does better with rocks, rain, sand, ice & snow.

Good to hear from you, Tom!

At the risk of repeating myself: I wouldn't get a plastic stock Hatsan for more than a dime (figuratively), because: plastic stocks are loud (ringing), they spoil the balance of magnum guns (barrel-heavy), and they are weak. It is quite rare to hear about a wood-stocked springer with a broken stock. When it comes to Hatsan plastics, I hear weekly (no exaggeration) about a broken Hatsan plastic stock. Cold weather is a clear risk for them, and I shoot and hunt in freezing weather all the time.

I hunt and field shoot the year round, and I honestly do not recognize your experience with wood stocks there. My longest stretch this far with the same, wood-stocked springer is three years straight under every imaginable condition, and save for a couple of miniscule scratches, the beechwood stock is as good as new. Just the thought of cocking a 125 or 135 in freezing weather in the woods, and the plastic stock cracks, rendering the weapon useless, is enough for me to keep with the woodies.

I haven't heard of Diana etc. plastic stocks breaking in use, so this is a Hatsan specialty. But even very-high-dollar synthetic stocks are not for me, for the already mentioned reasons, plus esthetics.

But, there are no two airgunners that agreed with each other 100 %, and neither have to be wrong in the least for this to be true. Best wishes to you, as well!

Hi Duke, thank you for your kind greeting to me sir.

As far as the durability of wooden rifle stocks go....you very well could be quite right sir.
I certainly could be all wrong. (It would not be the first time for that)

To be specific, I have never broken any stock by just cocking the rifle but that could happen too. It just has not append to me yet. 
When ever I broke any stock ..it has always been the result of a sharp blow from dropping the rifle out of a tree stand and bouncing the rifle off of a rock (I shattered the scope on that one. I dropped that rifle while I was standing up, trying to tie a cord on it and getting ready to descend) or skidding down steep icy snow covered embankments and striking the rifle on a tree while on the way down etc.
I heavily scratched up a wooden stock when the rifle was rolling around in the bottom of a sandy canoe once. Buckthorn can be a problem too.
None of this was "normal shooting'  activity.
I used to own a really nice vintage Sheridan Silver Streak that had nice wood. I did not use it as much as I would have liked to because I did not want to damage that irreplaceable stock. I wound up selling it to a fellow GTA member that did not do the things that I do. I also had a Gen 1 Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 with a nice stock. I sold that one too. Whenever I used those rifles hunting I carried them in a drag bag but that was cumbersome. I also had a Crosman Vantage in a refinished Titan stock. I sold it along with the Benjamin Trail as a packaged deal. There were others but they are all gone now. I went from 18 rifles down to 6.  I kept the ones that I hunted with the most.

The ones that I kept were these: 

25 cal. Hatsan 125TH Spring Piston
22 cal. Walther Talon Magnum Spring Piston (A 125 Hatsan & A Gift From SteveP-52)
22 cal. Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Gas Piston
22 cal. Hatsan Edge Vortex Gas Piston
117 cal. Hatsan Striker Vortex Gas Piston (In an Edge Stock)
117 cal. Umarex NXG APX Multi Pump

Best Wishes - Tom     
I Sure Wish You Good luck Hunting Duke !

[triggerfest]

As for myself, I prefer the plastic ones because I hunt with mine under sever conditions. 
A wooden stock just gets all chewed up doing what I do with my rifles.
After a while they don't look so nice anymore, in fact they look really bad. (Deep scratches & gouges)
A plastic rifle stock does better with rocks, rain, sand, ice & snow.

Good to hear from you, Tom!

At the risk of repeating myself: I wouldn't get a plastic stock Hatsan for more than a dime (figuratively), because: plastic stocks are loud (ringing), they spoil the balance of magnum guns (barrel-heavy), and they are weak. It is quite rare to hear about a wood-stocked springer with a broken stock. When it comes to Hatsan plastics, I hear weekly (no exaggeration) about a broken Hatsan plastic stock. Cold weather is a clear risk for them, and I shoot and hunt in freezing weather all the time.

I hunt and field shoot the year round, and I honestly do not recognize your experience with wood stocks there. My longest stretch this far with the same, wood-stocked springer is three years straight under every imaginable condition, and save for a couple of miniscule scratches, the beechwood stock is as good as new. Just the thought of cocking a 125 or 135 in freezing weather in the woods, and the plastic stock cracks, rendering the weapon useless, is enough for me to keep with the woodies.

I haven't heard of Diana etc. plastic stocks breaking in use, so this is a Hatsan specialty. But even very-high-dollar synthetic stocks are not for me, for the already mentioned reasons, plus esthetics.

But, there are no two airgunners that agreed with each other 100 %, and neither have to be wrong in the least for this to be true. Best wishes to you, as well!

The 130 with the synthetic stock is heavier than the 135 with the wood stock.

I have seen broken wood stocks as well. Especially laminate stocks are pretty notorious about that.

A broken stock is just bad luck, though I could imagine that a synthetic stock suffers more from cold weather.

[Mossonarock]

Its not uncommon for wood stocks to break right at the wrist.
It really depends on the tree and the cut made in the lumber yard.
I know that's happened with a number of Walther Terrus's.
Still, that didn't stop me from getting a wood stock for my Terrus.
I don't go out in rough terrain/conditions like Tom here does. So, I'm not worried (much).

I used to only get synthetic stocks b/c, like Tom, I didn't want to worry about scratching up the stock.
I eventually warmed up to wood stocks and I can see the appeal for wood or synthetic, either way.
I've never had any problems with my Hatsan synthetic stocks breaking.
I don't find the synthetic stocks to be loud or weirdly balanced or non-shock absorby.
You can always put some weight in the stock as ballast to balance it and many people do.
Hatsan's wood stocks can have a terrible finish on them so you might as well not worry about tearing it up. Or plan to refinish it which is a lot of work.

One thing I can say is that its easier to shorten the lop of a wooden stock than synthetic.
I shortened the synthetic stock of my Edge and that was difficult. (I'm not a big guy)