TX 200 -Floppy cocking lever usual?

[phoebeisis]

A TX 200 Left hand just arrived-walnut stock   pretty- .177

Ebay-$610 delivered -new in box-doing my bit for the economy-    pre-spending my Covid stimulus

Is a somewhat flopping  cocking lever -floppier than the RWS 460- about right?

It shoots great-the trigger-YIKES- The  460 T06 trigger is very good by my standards-but this trigger-just touch it and think-FIRE- and it fires-

Very accurate-I never stack pellets-old bad eyes- impatient-but this thing will

Anyway is a floppy cocking lever how they are delivered?

It works fine-just not accustomed to so much play in a pricy gun

Could there be some reason they intentionally leave that play in it? Maybe to not put some sort of off center  force on the piston-let it sorta self center ?

Thanks

Charlie

[Chris USA]

I had a TX200 and as best as I recall,.. there was minimal free play after breaking the cocking lever free. (maybe down 2-3"?) If it is shooting fine,... I would say that it is fine.

[Frank in Fairfield]

No slop in mine and it has been shot in excess of 20,000 times..

[Roadworthy]

I don't know what you mean by slop in the cocking lever.  It should snap into place and stay whether cocked or not.  When cocking the rifle, on mine when I unsnap the lever from its parked position it will drop less than an inch before the actual cocking action begins.  If you have much more than that your cocking shoe may be cracked.  If it goes too far you will be unable to cock the rifle.  Now is a good time to order a replacement whether you think you need one or not.  They rarely break on a 12 fpe TX 200.  They commonly fail on a full power US version.

[Nitrocrushr]

If you are referring to little bit of side to side slop after unlatching, then yes....normal.  But, just a tiny bit.

Steve

[schwebel]

Mine has some side to side. If you shake the gun the cocking rod rattles a bit. Really kind of annoying since I thought it was supposed to be kind of an “improved” HW97.  My 97’s don’t have the same rattle. Their cocking linkage seems to be fitted better.

 I thought about putting a couple very thin washers made of derlin or something to get rid of the rattle. But really it is kind of knit picking. Once I start shooting it, I totally forget about it. Such a fantastic springer.

[phoebeisis]

Thanks guys

I was a bit unclear.

It drops very little-maybe 1 " away when broken free

I meant the lever has side to side play-wiggling- BEFORE starting cocking- and at full cock -

The tip of the lever can be moved perhaps  3/4" to 1" side to side I noticed it because it arrived with the tip of the lever NOT SEATED-offset to side(yes seller had probably taken it out tested it-

he goes to airgun shows sells nice stuff-no shows-COVID 19 -so he sold this and tuned HW 97-too cheap really $540 was too little for tuning-but Christmas  so $$ short

I am very satisfied--I was trying to buy-rebuy-another HW97 from Krale(euro is up-so it would have been about $440+ $62) but all out of stock-so for $80 more-got better

rifle with Walnut-much prettier-better finish  too-STOCK NOT AS "STOCKY" looking as 97


Thanks all

Charlie

[Nitrocrushr]

The tip of the lever can be moved perhaps  3/4" to 1" side to side

Charlie, that is a lot of movement.  A couple .005” shim washers will help take up some of that slop.  When I said a tiny bit, I was talking maybe 1/8” or so.  It won’t hurt anything in the performance of the rifle as long as it centers up and snaps properly into place.

Steve

[phoebeisis]

Nitro-thanks

Yes it does seem excessive for an otherwise very well made rifle with so much attention to detail

I think I will go the washer route

Before cocking-just remeved from spring loaded ball bearing it will flop-only 4mm one way  2 mm the other

and it only opens -just 16-17mm-not much plenty tight-it is only when in full down position it will wobble about 7mm-8mm either direction

Here-I think is a picture of it making the poor 460 look kinda plain

Thanks  Charlie

[phoebeisis]

For you eagle eyed folks-the BBs in the pellet tin are for my crosman 1377 which can shoot BBs with a Magnet stuck to its frame-cheap barrel-maybe $20 so no big deal-and BBs are very cheap-like me  Daisy 880  $36  walmart also a BB shooter by design somehow it takes BBs and pellets-but $36 so no one will complain about 1mm loss in accuracy

[Nitrocrushr]

Nitro-thanks

Yes it does seem excessive for an otherwise very well made rifle with so much attention to detail

I think I will go the washer route

Before cocking-just remeved from spring loaded ball bearing it will flop-only 4mm one way  2 mm the other

and it only opens -just 16-17mm-not much plenty tight-it is only when in full down position it will wobble about 7mm-8mm either direction

Here-I think is a picture of it making the poor 460 look kinda plain

Thanks  Charlie

Good looking rifle Charlie!

I keep some .005” thick 1/4” ID 316 stainless shim washers from McMaster Carr in stock and they work great for this.  They tuck nicely into the slot for the cocking lever pivot and will take up some of that slop.

Steve

[phoebeisis]

Steve

Thanks for tip-Mc Master  Carr  .005"   1/4 od 316 SS I will get some-yes that walnut worth $100 more-I always buy thinking resale-someday-cars trucks motorcycles bicycles guns -eventually

I sell almost everything-except pretty little beretta nickel plated .22 M21 wood grips=too pretty to sell-maybe Walnut ??

In any case to sell an oddball-left hand-you need something extra to have it stand out-great looking wood-don't picture selling this rifle-easy to cock-looks great-shoots much better than I ever

will-but who knows

Thanks

Charlie

PS in the TX 200 vs HW97 I would vote for  the german barreled citrus lovers rifle -just too pretty with such a trigger-and feels better too -easy to cock despite savaging the zinc  pellets-

with carefully layered papers-and packing plastic-only 1/4 .177 reusable-I do better with the 22 out of 460 -

 TX 200 .177  Daisy ZINC  alloy PELLETS  probes to 15mm in pine 2x4   actual tip maybe 2-3 mm more-they are flat tipped -about $12/250 delivered on sale-ebay walmart amazon

RWS 460 .22 SSP CROSMAN(not made anymore for some reason-they were just $10/250 walmart- probe to 9mm-  maybe tip-pointed tip another 3 or so mm

[phoebeisis]

Wow-I got ID mixed up with od

1/4" ID   .005 THICK    316 SS-

had no idea there were so many  shims   readily available -so many materials

Thanks

Charlie

[Yarddog]

My TX developed a floppy cocking arm.  When I sent it to Motorhead for tuning, he discovered that one of the holes was hogged out, and replaced it.  Tight once again.  Pretty easy diagnosis and correction.  Also, he recommended something better and thicker than TriFlow for lubrication, he recommended Lucas Break-In Lube.  Hangs in there better.

[phoebeisis]

-Yard dog

Lucas break in lube?

Good idea-

I probably have some break-in lube-lotta Molydenum disulfide in it-left over from my motorcycles-yeah just looked for it I have it-never throw anything away

described as EXTREME PRESSURE MOLY GRAPHITE assembly lube-great lube maybe but would never get that off my clothing

I will give lucas a try-

Thanks

Charlie I have thin shims on the way-or at least ordered

[phoebeisis]

Now it is perfect-or will be once I get the .005" shims in-thanks to steve nitrio for the shim info-McMaster Carr-which must be a famous supplier oof fasteners because my computer dial them up



I took off trigger guard- 3mm rear 5 mm front allen screws

A screw  1/4 turn Clockwise -adding trigger weight-think it is a 2mm allen-hard to read-allen came with rifle

C screw 1/4 turn Counterclockwise adding 1st stage travel-I think it is 1mm allen which came with rifle

For my purposes the extra travel and extra weight are perfect

The as delivered weight and travel were waaaaay less than any trigger I had ever had-literally startled me the first  30 shots-

but great for accuracy-I use the press trigger  by timing wobble method  I shoot freehand standing-A LOT-so wobble always there-as delivered when I thought trigger-BAM-barely a touch after 1st stage-literally I seemed to just THINK squeeze-BAM-

Thanks all
Charlie

[Yarddog]

When Scott discovered the flop, he did not pass go. His perfect solution was to simply replace the part. I absolutely concurred.

[phoebeisis]

Yarddog

Yes that is what I will do-once I figure out just what is "wrong"

But after shooting it more-and becoming more familiar with it- what I described as FLOP- which is left to right "wiggle" of the cocking lever in fully back position

Is probably not caused by poor shimming.

Looking closely there are 2 flat linkage links-about 7 cm long-They DON'T line up in full cock

More telling-and easier to see-when you break cocking lever loose from spring loaded ball bearing- it is OFFCENTER-relative to the ball bearing by about 3-3.5mm

So my original complaint-too much WOBBLE FLOP-is wrong- probably not too much-

The hole in the lever-when it is within 0-30mm of ball bearing-is at LEAST 3mm off-making the lever well to the right of the rifle-until you lock it in-  the hole os  dead center-

The problem is in those links-maybe hole drilled incorrectly-or one is too long  too short-

A BIG HINT was there when I unboxed it-the lever was NOT locked into the ball bearing-it was pushed to the side-not locked in at all

I noticed this right away-hard to not-but I assumed it had been pushed out during packing or enroute(box-2 boxes) arrived in perfect shape-and end of rifle was sorta "boxed" separately

so I should have immediately put 2+2 together-and known it was a slight misfit from factory-

these parts are sturdy and stiff-box perfect-so it was poor-QC on this single aspect-

Yard dog- thanks for the mention of the hogged out holes-mine might have a hole drilled slightly "off" on the  7 cm long links - too far or too short one way or the other.

Thanks all-sorry for my original description of too much FLOP was wrong - it actually is deviated to one side-so you have to PUSH it too the center to lock it in the ball bearing

Thanks all-very useful resource.

PS
 I am old-69 -so a minor defect in an otherwise GREAT and  GORGEOUS  rifle -does not really put me off

Heck-when I was a kid(1965)-my very frugal  dad bought a used  1964 MG1100- a tiny  boxy 1100cc boxy FWD 2 door 5 passenger Brit-mobile-

REALLY FUN to drive despite not being a MG sportswear  and accelerating much more slowly than our  1965 318 Plymouth Fury 3 station wagon (go MOPAR)

It was from the GOLDEN AGE OF HORRIBLE BRIT QC- real Lucas electrics Sir Lucas  PRINCE OF DARKNESS parts (they won the war with  spectacular RELIABLE motors-Merlin -then...)

The points NEVER wore out-the literally BROKE IN HAlf-not kidding-broke in half!

Sorry to run on-thanks-I was wrong about wobble-actually probably something like Yard dogs "holes" being off-drilled off probably  because it arrived lever not seated on ball bearing-and I have to

steer it onto the ball bearing-it wants to go 3mm to its right side

Charlie

[Nitrocrushr]

Charlie, Thanks for the additional details.  When viewing rifle from the muzzle end does it appear as if the outer shroud/cocking handle lock-up block is centered correctly?

Also, when rifle is cocked, does the cocking handle appear to be off to one side?  If those holes are drilled off center it will affect the alignment the entire way through.

Is it possible that the pivot brace at the base of the lever is bent?

Pictures would help.  There are several possibilities based on your description.

Steve

[phoebeisis]

Steve thanks for the help-

I am a complete neophyte in respect to the actual workings of air rifles -I  have fooled with (pun about 50/50 intentional)  many with mechanical things-cars   trucks    motorcycles  firearms   

bicycles  DIY house  repairs plumbing  -I have broken many things -ruined lots of material  had to redo many "fixes" in the pre-intenet age

but since 2000  -internet age- then U-TUBE AGE I don't  break things-these forums are just GREAT

Your question

NO the shroud cocking handle is NOT CENTERED- here is a crude picture-son's cell-that might show that

and another picture-lever fully cocked-shows that the tip of one link-is about 1-2mm farther toward the muzzle-something is "off" drilled  "some hole" wrong place

I weill post this-then load up pictures-might be one  response down if it won't allow me to insert it after fact

Thanks

Charlie-

PS still shoots great-really does not bother me too much-Brit QC -we owned a 1964 MG1100 boxy fun little 5 passenger car-lotta fun-but the points never wore out-they literally BROKE IN HALF

Prince of Darkness Sir Lucas-but it was FUN car-real wood dash-with toggle switches just like James Bond's Bentley