EDgun Leshiy Version2 - Gregor Kamenšek accuracy testing

[subscriber]

The latest Leshiy has a lot to like. 

But, is it "trying too hard", compared to the single-shot version?

[Nomadic Pirate]

Are those good groups  ? 

[anti-squirrel]

Different guns.  Not understanding the trying too hard comment...  PCP airguns aren't cool kids buying clothes at the trendy Mall rock-n-roll store...

I've seen plenty of videos on YouTube the last 6 months of just how good the Leshiy 2 can shoot.  I own the Leshiy and know how well it shoots.  I blame the shooter first and foremost if the Leshiy 2 isn't grouping well.

[subscriber]

Are those good groups  ? 

Not understanding the trying too hard comment...    I blame the shooter first and foremost if the Leshiy 2 isn't grouping well.

Gents,

The Leshiy is "trying too hard" to be what it has not yet pulled off:  an accurate semi-auto.  Groups fired off the mag are unimpressive.  You can use the word disappointing, for such an expensive airgun; but we can all see the groups are bad.

Note how small the single shot groups are compared to those fired from the magazine?  If Gregor was a poor shot, how does one explain the small groups fired single shot?.  This is evidence that there is a problem with Gregor's L2 mag alignment (or something).

The odd thing is that Gregor starts the video stating that the production L2 is much better than the preproduction one he had; because that had been inaccurate.  So, the better airgun shoots like carp?

Perhaps the L2 will do better with slugs, just like the Huben.  They both shoot from the mag; except that the Leshiy 2 takes replaceable mags.  The L2 is also not guaranteed to be good semi-auto, just because the L1 is a great piece of kit as a single shot.

I really want to like the Leshiy 2.  It is a brilliant system design.  But based on these videos, I would not buy one. 

Gregor went to great pains to get his early Huben to shoot right, by adjusting the mag indexing and general aligned with the barrel.  When he was done, he was shooting sub 25 mm groups at 75 meters with slugs.  So, while Gregor is critical of his ability, mag VS single load groups with the Leshiy 2 suggest that his contribution to the scatter seen in the videos above is not significant.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Question :

is removing the magnet a necessity ?.....can't the pellets just be loaded backwards from the front of the mag ?

[subscriber]

Don't know if the mag loading question is answered here: 
https://www.edgunleshiy.shop/pages/leshiy-2-faq

Perhaps such detail questions might be answered by asking the source: INFO@EDGUN.SHOP

I will speculate that if you tried to front load the mag, the pellet skirt would catch on the narrow outlet from the mag.  I believe the "chambers" in the mag look like the chambers in a centerfire revolver cylinder - smaller at the front.  My though process is that if the mag "chambers" had one diameter all the way through, then two cover plates would be required to prevent pellets falling out, and there is only one plate:

[anti-squirrel]

Are those good groups  ? 

Not understanding the trying too hard comment...    I blame the shooter first and foremost if the Leshiy 2 isn't grouping well.

Gents,

The Leshiy is "trying too hard" to be what it has not yet pulled off:  an accurate semi-auto.  Groups fired off the mag are unimpressive.  You can use the word disappointing, for such an expensive airgun; but we can all see the groups are bad.

Note how small the single shot groups are compared to those fired from the magazine?  If Gregor was a poor shot, how does one explain the small groups fired single shot?.  This is evidence that there is a problem with Gregor's L2 mag alignment (or something).

The odd thing is that Gregor starts the video stating that the production L2 is much better than the preproduction one he had; because that had been inaccurate.  So, the better airgun shoots like carp?

Perhaps the L2 will do better with slugs, just like the Huben.  They both shoot from the mag; except that the Leshiy 2 takes replaceable mags.  The L2 is also not guaranteed to be good semi-auto, just because the L1 is a great piece of kit as a single shot.

I really want to like the Leshiy 2.  It is a brilliant system design.  But based on these videos, I would not buy one. 

Gregor went to great pains to get his early Huben to shoot right, by adjusting the mag indexing and general aligned with the barrel.  When he was done, he was shooting sub 25 mm groups at 75 meters with slugs.  So, while Gregor is critical of his ability, mag VS single load groups with the Leshiy 2 suggest that his contribution to the scatter seen in the videos above is not significant.

All the stuff I watch, the semi-auto action works peachy and groups are tiny.  And a similar sour-grapes thread on AGN even had Ed himself chime in   Regardless, the videos I've seen of the Leshiy 2 display excellent accuracy.

I'm an EdGun fan (own 2 and will own more) and will be buying the Leshiy 2 at some point.  Do you actually intend to purchase a Leshiy 2?  If so, don't limit yourself you 1 video.  Go watch Ed's videos chronicling this platform.  IIRC, Brian at EdGunWest has some groups shooting semi- out past 200 yards.


A final note: we're talking a semi-automatic that is hammerless and uses a magazine.  Ed ended up choosing different barrel manufacturers for different calibers because no one manufacturer could supply all the offered calibers up to his own specs.  And in his own words: he isn't making anybody buy his guns.  We're all big boys and girls, so if you don't want to spend the money, don't be an armchair QB.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Don't know if the mag loading question is answered here: 
https://www.edgunleshiy.shop/pages/leshiy-2-faq

Perhaps such detail questions might be answered by asking the source: INFO@EDGUN.SHOP

I will speculate that if you tried to front load the mag, the pellet skirt would catch on the narrow outlet from the mag.  I believe the "chambers" in the mag look like the chambers in a centerfire revolver cylinder - smaller at the front.  My though process is that if the mag "chambers" had one diameter all the way through, then two cover plates would be required to prevent pellets falling out, and there is only one plate:

Well, that wouldn't make sense to me,..that way the pellet is seized as it's shot and would prevent the skirt expansion right ?

Other magazines of that type are loaded backwards from the front, pellets don't fall out because they have the action walls in front so the can't go anywhere.

he's showing the slugs falling out, so looks like you can load from the front.

[subscriber]

Manny,

Slugs don't have skirts, so the front of the mag only has to be slightly larger than the slug diameter to load from the front.

Depending on caliber and pellet used, skirt diameter can be over 0.004" larger than head diameter.  So, I hate to argue for the sake of it; because that is not my intent.  I want clarity, even if I use speculation as a vehicle. 

I don't know for a fact that the mags "chambers" are stepped or taper down to the front.  They must allow pellet skirts to enter, so they must have at least a flare at the rear (like a breakbarrel springer chamber at a minimum).  If pellet skirts could enter from the front, that means the heads can cant over before reaching the barrel, on being shot.  Starting the pellet at an angle to the bore is not good.   So, I suspect that the mag chambers are a little larger than groove diameter, but smaller than unfired pellet skirt diameters.

Again, this is speculation.

[subscriber]

Peter,

I take your word that Gregor's experience with the L2 is not typical.  I would absolutely gather more info before deciding to buy one of these.  The risk of that is low, because my income is sporadic. 

Truth be told, I started this thread before I had finished watching the videos.  Then, I was a little disappointed and figured I need to "warn" readers.  Else, it may seem like I am unconditionally promoting this very cleaver, extremely appealing new carbine.

To me it sounds like some people are getting good groups and others not.  So, neither is predictive of your experience.  It just serves as an indicator that Edgun may have debugging left to do.

I will search for happy customer videos and post them to this thread.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yeah, I'm hoping someone that actually got one will chime in,.... I'm very curious, and it's just plain curiosity since I will never get one
....even if I like the gun and manufacturer a lot.

[oldpro]

 I too would like to see and unbiased review from a member here with real world data.

[subscriber]

Rather than seem to select videos of customers that are only happy or unhappy with their Leshiy 2, here is the full list of videos offered by youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=edgun+leshiy+2.0

The reason why I posted Gregor's videos is because I subscribe to his channel; and got a notification for them today. Not because I think Gregor is the best reviewer.  My impression of him is that he is reasoning and honest; if long winded.  He is willing to tear into new airguns to see what is going on.  So, usually a good source for very specific info.

[subscriber]

So, this EdgunWest video provides some hints about the magazine: 

If I am seeing clearly, the chamber is parallel, with a small cone at the chamber mouth, like an (unrifled) breakbarrel springer chamber.

Further on in the video when the barrel is reinstalled, you can see a very shallow angle "forcing cone" at the barrel breech.  This suggests that pellets are realigned with the bore axis by that cone, as they accelerate out of the mag under pressure, should smaller heads allow them to cant over in the mag's chambers. 

[kendive]

Are those good groups  ? 

Not understanding the trying too hard comment...    I blame the shooter first and foremost if the Leshiy 2 isn't grouping well.

Gents,

The Leshiy is "trying too hard" to be what it has not yet pulled off:  an accurate semi-auto.  Groups fired off the mag are unimpressive.  You can use the word disappointing, for such an expensive airgun; but we can all see the groups are bad.

Note how small the single shot groups are compared to those fired from the magazine?  If Gregor was a poor shot, how does one explain the small groups fired single shot?.  This is evidence that there is a problem with Gregor's L2 mag alignment (or something).

The odd thing is that Gregor starts the video stating that the production L2 is much better than the preproduction one he had; because that had been inaccurate.  So, the better airgun shoots like carp?

Perhaps the L2 will do better with slugs, just like the Huben.  They both shoot from the mag; except that the Leshiy 2 takes replaceable mags.  The L2 is also not guaranteed to be good semi-auto, just because the L1 is a great piece of kit as a single shot.

I really want to like the Leshiy 2.  It is a brilliant system design.  But based on these videos, I would not buy one. 

Gregor went to great pains to get his early Huben to shoot right, by adjusting the mag indexing and general aligned with the barrel.  When he was done, he was shooting sub 25 mm groups at 75 meters with slugs.  So, while Gregor is critical of his ability, mag VS single load groups with the Leshiy 2 suggest that his contribution to the scatter seen in the videos above is not significant.

Yea I would never own one. I opted for the LCS SK-19 for the money they is alot better PCP. I don't care for edgun at all.





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[Hobbyman2007]

I waiting to hear back if the L2 will be offered in Canada. If they pass the RCMP inspection , I will get one in .25 cal. It won’t be a bench gun but used to hunt game within 50 yards. Just like all air rifles , they perform better one the barrels are seasoned for a specific projectile, and speed is adjusted to maximize accuracy with that same projectile. Shooting 3/4” groups at 50m with the same basic settings with more than one type pellet at what I would call way too fast a velocity is acceptable to me. I’m absolutely certain this can be improved with some basic tuning and testing. 40 FPE from a 350mm barrel is a lot to ask. I’d like to see the barrel specs , that usually dictates the speed.

Either way , good groups or bad , I’m still drooling .

[subscriber]

Yea I would never own one. I opted for the LCS SK-19 for the money they is alot better PCP. I don't care for edgun at all.

Everyone can and should make up their own minds.

That said, I am unfamiliar with the LCS SK-19.  I see it looks the result of a Huben K1 and an FX Impact spending a weekend together in the safe

https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/precharged-pcp/lcs-air-arms-sk-19-automatic-air-rifle/


Full auto my be fun for a week, but how accurate is this beast?

[Acapulco]

hmmmmm... 

[coolhand]

I’ve got a 30cal from the first one hundred in country. Took it with me this week down to where I go deer hunting. Here’s some pictures of my fifty yards groups. I have not adjusted anything on this rifle yet. It came to me shooting 800 FPS. I have ordered the nozzles for adjustment of power, but will not be adjusting until Ed makes the video on this topic. The paper at top was first group shot in semi-auto, not really single shots. The trigger doesn’t work like that, can’t really explain why but you don’t get accurate shots! Maybe what is going on in the video as I didn’t watch? Oh ya, I have a three power Steiner on mine because like I said it shoots semi-auto, not single shot.

[subscriber]

Thanks Luke

At what range were the paper targets? 

If you did not adjusts the scope, I wonder if the scope has a zero parallax distance of 100 yards, and you were shooting at 25 or 50?  Or perhaps you held off for wind that had died down during the second group.

Coolhand Luke is a classics movie.  Have seen it more than half a dozen times.