DAR Gen II is now available

[Fred E Krugar]

When I started reading this thread, I figured it would help decide what to do.
Well after reading all 26 pages i am still in the same position, though there were some ups and downs.

You see the problem is I am going to buy a (.22 and .25) in either the DAR gen2 or the Avenger.
Even after reading all the pages here I still have questions, maybe you guys can help with.

The main concern I have with the DAR is barrel length (~17") which is not synonymous with long range accuracy or power (w/PB).
I have not seen anything about slugs in this short barrel. Do you think there is potential for more power out of this short barrel to get slugs to run well?
I do like the valve style that the Dar2 uses. I believe it has the better valve of the two (DAR2 VS. Avenger).

The main concern I have with the Avenger is the valve setup.
I do like the barrel length though  over the DAR2. The length will surely help with slugs but I think the valve style is gonna bottle neck it even if I tweak the transfer ports.
And with no way to change the size of the plenum unlike on the DAR2.

I guess I could just get LW barrel blanks for the DAR2 and be done. What you guys think. Help me decide.

[nervoustrigger]

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you looking at a potential barrel swap in either case?  The DAR because of the length or the Avenger because of the choke.  Neither is optimal for shooting slugs.  In which case that would mean you can narrow down the comparision to a smaller set of variables to make it an easier decision.

[Fred E Krugar]

I suppose you are correct. I guess I will be getting the DAR2 due to the valve and the better power potential of that valve set up.

[subscriber]

Jason,

My impression is that the DAR gen2 air rifles shoot at higher power than one would think for the caliber, with lower noise than the small primitives shroud guts should enable.  Yes, people have found ways to make them more efficient, but they are not bad at all for such a short barrel.

As for long range potential; power is nothing without accuracy.  It is here that the average DAR seems better than the average Avenger.  A few people are shooting slugs through the unchoked DAR barrels.  If you want 50, 75 and 100 FPE from a .177; .22 and .25 DAR, then you are going to need a longer barrel.  If you are content with half that FPE, then the DAR is a good way to go.

There is a member here that achieved 30% more shots on the regulator with his DAR by making a very simple hammer de-bouncing device.

I bought mine because of the wood stock and low price, backed up by recent good user experiences.  I have had mine apart and it is very easy to work on.  My largest "problem" is the lack of a user manual with an exploded parts diagram.  The fact that the regulator is not eternally adjustable seemed like a negative.  However, mine seems to allow everything I want to do with my .177, just by varying the preload on the stock hammer spring.  Changing out the hammer spring for experiments is equally easy.

I was hot for the Avenger, until the DAR gen2 came to my attention.  My preference is for rifles no more than 41" long; and less than 7 lb in weight.  My max before it annoys me is 43".  That said, balance is more important than length or weight, because medium range offhand shooting is my thing.   The Fortitude was on my list, but they seem to have too much trouble, without the out of the box goodness of the Marauder.  Perhaps later, when they have been refined, a Fortitude will be a contender.

The fact that the DAR was cheap makes me less concerned with damaging it by modifying it.  Not that it needs anything but to check for loose screws out of the box.

[Fred E Krugar]

Jason,


There is a member here that achieved 30% more shots on the regulator with his DAR by making a very simple hammer de-bouncing device.

Could you please point me in the direction for the de-bounce device?

I usually make a ssg for all my rifles, but would prefer a de-bounce on this one. Or is it the same thing?

I will be doing HS changes. I twist my own springs for that so I can make exactly what I need.

Thanks again for yall's responses. 

One last question does these rifles need med or high ring mounts?

[subscriber]

Jason,

The de-bouncer is a SSG.  Here is the thread:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182299.msg156076449#msg156076449

[Back_Roads]

 Mounts may vary with the size of the scope, 40 mm scope can use medium, 50mm scope will probably need high mounts.

[Fred E Krugar]

Well I guess I am gonna have the same problem Dan H had.

Well over 24hrs. and no call.

Alas this is typical for my luck.

[boonez40]

Well I guess I am gonna have the same problem Dan H had.

Well over 24hrs. and no call.

Alas this is typical for my luck.

They will call you, I ordered a mag 2 days ago and she called me yesterday but I was at work. I called her back today and paid for the mag and it has already shipped.
Their phone number is
909 923 6627 if you want to give them a call.

[Dan H]

Well I guess I am gonna have the same problem Dan H had.

Well over 24hrs. and no call.

Alas this is typical for my luck.

I would give aim sports a call just in case your order was misplaced like mine was LOL ! ! ....   I would order .22 and .25 guns since our 2nd amendment will soon be taken away ,and then the air guns will be next .... I plan on ordering atleast 4 maybe 5 more guns very soon ...

[B.Guns.]

Well I guess I am gonna have the same problem Dan H had.

Well over 24hrs. and no call.

Alas this is typical for my luck.

I received a .22 that was missing parts and I called and talked to some one there but never got an email or call back on a resolution.
At this point I'm regretting purchasing the DAR and 2 Aim Sport scopes in the last 2 weeks. I'm probably going to have to call my bank in the next week if they do not respond.

[boonez40]

Well I guess I am gonna have the same problem Dan H had.

Well over 24hrs. and no call.

Alas this is typical for my luck.

I received a .22 that was missing parts and I called and talked to some one there but never got an email or call back on a resolution.
At this point I'm regretting purchasing the DAR and 2 Aim Sport scopes in the last 2 weeks. I'm probably going to have to call my bank in the next week if they do not respond.

I wonder, is this the same Aim Sports that imports firearms as well ?

[B.Guns.]

Well I guess I am gonna have the same problem Dan H had.

Well over 24hrs. and no call.

Alas this is typical for my luck.

I received a .22 that was missing parts and I called and talked to some one there but never got an email or call back on a resolution.
At this point I'm regretting purchasing the DAR and 2 Aim Sport scopes in the last 2 weeks. I'm probably going to have to call my bank in the next week if they do not respond.

I wonder, is this the same Aim Sports that imports firearms as well ?

I'm not sure but they do have firearms parts.
I did hear back from them this morning and I hope to have this worked out soon so I can begin to enjoy my new DAR. It is a very nice rifle. I got one shot off with it and nailed my 2" steel target at 50 yards without even sighting in my scope. Mine is just missing a little part that's keeping me from using it.

[Privateer]

I would order .22 and .25 guns since our 2nd amendment will soon be taken away ,and then the air guns will be next

[Gertrude]

I received a .22 that was missing parts 
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I did hear back from them this morning and I hope to have this worked out soon so I can begin to enjoy my new DAR. Mine is just missing a little part that's keeping me from using it.
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What specific parts is yours missing ?
I MAY be able to help.

[B.Guns.]

I received a .22 that was missing parts 

I did hear back from them this morning and I hope to have this worked out soon so I can begin to enjoy my new DAR. Mine is just missing a little part that's keeping me from using it.


What specific parts is yours missing ?
I MAY be able to help.


Thanks so much Ron.
It's the little detent ball that holds the magazine in place.
Mine has a set screw but not the ball that goes against the magazine.
I'm pretty sure there's a replacement coming from DAR.

[Fred E Krugar]

Finally I got a shipping number. Yeah !!!!

For the guys that has a .22 or .25 and done some shooting. What was the ammo you guys tested, and had good luck with?

[RDB]

Finally I got a shipping number. Yeah !!!!

For the guys that has a .22 or .25 and done some shooting. What was the ammo you guys tested, and had good luck with?

16 and 18 jsb. Have been real good in mine. Make sure to clean the barrel really well.

[RDB]

I received a .22 that was missing parts 

I did hear back from them this morning and I hope to have this worked out soon so I can begin to enjoy my new DAR. Mine is just missing a little part that's keeping me from using it.


What specific parts is yours missing ?
I MAY be able to help.


Thanks so much Ron.
It's the little detent ball that holds the magazine in place.
Mine has a set screw but not the ball that goes against the magazine.
I'm pretty sure there's a replacement coming from DAR.

More than likely a spring in there also.

[Fred E Krugar]

Finally I got a shipping number. Yeah !!!!

For the guys that has a .22 or .25 and done some shooting. What was the ammo you guys tested, and had good luck with?

16 and 18 jsb. Have been real good in mine. Make sure to clean the barrel really well.

Thank you will try them first.