First PCP and hand pump - or MSP?

[Marc]

So - really considering going PCP.  Still having springer headaches.

If I had my first choice it would be a good quality MSP, but I don't want to hunt for a used one, and the new ones look like junk for the most part.

So considering a PCP.  If you had to pick a starter PCP rifle or carbine, and knew you were going to be limited to a hand pump, what would you pick?

I like the looks of the Woods Walker, or Fortitude.

[Earl]

Look at the Umarex Origin.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/umarex-origin-pcp-air-rifle-review-summary-and-conclusions/

[SwampHunter]

So - really considering going PCP.  Still having springer headaches.

If I had my first choice it would be a good quality MSP, but I don't want to hunt for a used one, and the new ones look like junk for the most part.

So considering a PCP.  If you had to pick a starter PCP rifle or carbine, and knew you were going to be limited to a hand pump, what would you pick?

I like the looks of the Woods Walker, or Fortitude.

I have both, and both are good rifles. Depends on what your using it for as to which I would recommend

[maraudinglizard]

I have the Umarex Gauntlet in .22, I did a review on it a while back. Another one to look at for starters. Mine is stock ,no mods.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134913.msg1345586#msg1345586

[Bladebum]

Look at the Umarex Origin.
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/umarex-origin-pcp-air-rifle-review-summary-and-conclusions/

I second that choice

[Marc]

How is hand pumping the Fortitude?

[BigBird]

How is hand pumping the Fortitude?

Easy.  Generally, most non bottle PCPs are maybe 100 pumps ay 3kpsi for the initial fill then maybe 40 -50 or so to fill back.

[Bladebum]

Fortitude is a good gun. Its reliable it seems, ive messed with a few of them. Some things to note though that may or may not be of importance to you.

The fortitude trigger is not great.  Its heavy, long and breaks however.

It is also not super powerful, but in 22 you can get around 20 ft lbs out of it for 50+ shots

Stock is plastic and nothing special.

On the positives, its easy to handpump, very quiet, very accurate and light weight.

[Ribbonstone]

It's pretty much energy in vs. total energy out with PCP's.

 Smaller volume airguns (like under 140cc's)and 2K filllimits are pretty easy.We normally only refill from 1K back up to 2K.

Small air volumes are easy to pump to 3K....are normally only refilling from about 2K to 3K,so something like a 100cc tube is also easy. 

Big volume PCP's are a PIA to pump fill....it'spretty much proportional to volume....compared to a 100cc tube,will take 2X as many pumps to being a 200cc PCP up from 2K to 3K ...3X as many for a 300cc tube...etc.

Basically have the choice of pump-shoot-pump-shoot or pump-pump-pump-shoot-shoot-shoot.

Tube volume has little to do with power....does have something to do with shot count and how much effort it takes to refill (kind of like a car'sgas tank size really doesn't limit horsepower,just how often you got to stop for gas.)

[Allen Rice]

UMAREX ORIGIN no doubt.  Very easy to pump, excellent power. very accurate.  I don't own one, but I know what I'm talking about.

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[Ribbonstone]

Thinking if the Aspen wasn't reported as problem prone....would be a bit of both.

Then again.are constantly hauling around a pump that you only occasionally use....and the complexity of both a pump and rifle gets kind of over loading (carp load of seals waiting to screw up).


Origin...I'm waiting on more 3rd party reports....have some doubts, but not enough to buy one just to see. MAYBE of they sold the rifle WITHOUT the pump for folks that don't need another pump.

[Marc]

Fortitude is a good gun. Its reliable it seems, ive messed with a few of them. Some things to note though that may or may not be of importance to you.

The fortitude trigger is not great.  Its heavy, long and breaks however.

It is also not super powerful, but in 22 you can get around 20 ft lbs out of it for 50+ shots

Stock is plastic and nothing special.

On the positives, its easy to handpump, very quiet, very accurate and light weight.

The Fortitude has my interest due to being quiet.  And I think a wood Disco stock fits, so getting rid of the plastic would be easy.  Is there much difference in shot count from 0.22 to 0.177 cal.?

Power wise I actually would prefer  9-10 ft/lb.

[Ribbonstone]

At that power level...good choice,one I would have made if there weren;'t a "snot load" of others already at hand.

Never tired to put a Disco stock on a Fortitude...suspect it's where the gauge hole lines up, but the rest of it seems almost drop in....would look to someone who's done it.
 
Never been thrilled with the "fish belly" shape ( forend dropping down) of the wood Disco. MAxi/Fortitude always had cleaner outline....but plastic vs. wood....something organically nice about cheeking up to wood in winter's cold.

[chico]

would like to steer you in the right direction, but you're already headed there . . . Fortitude

enjoy it !!!!

[fatmike]

Fortitude   before the fortitude came out I spent way to much building what is essentially a fortitude.  Good all around choice.

[SwampHunter]

At that power level...good choice,one I would have made if there weren;'t a "snot load" of others already at hand.

Never tired to put a Disco stock on a Fortitude...suspect it's where the gauge hole lines up, but the rest of it seems almost drop in....would look to someone who's done it.
 
Never been thrilled with the "fish belly" shape ( forend dropping down) of the wood Disco. MAxi/Fortitude always had cleaner outline....but plastic vs. wood....something organically nice about cheeking up to wood in winter's cold.

The stock is a drop in, if you want a challenger trigger you have to notch the plastic stock or swap out for a wood one.

[Ribbonstone]

SCrrew that expense...can make it a 1 3/4 to 2 ound trigger with pocket change and a little work.

If you are that much of a trigger-'ho....buy something else.

[Toddspeed]

Fortitude is $300 at Pyramyd, BSA Buccaneer .177 is $300 on Amazon.
I have an Urban which is very close to a Buccaneer, I would be surprised if you didn’t love the BSA.

[Marquette]

Fortitude with the AGnation discount and free Friday shipping should be just over $225. Challenger trigger and guard $65 with shipping from Crosman. Used SCUBA tank $75-125 depending on if it needs certified or not. Fill adapter from eBay $30. Skip the hand pump.

[Nomadic Pirate]

So - really considering going PCP.  Still having springer headaches.

If I had my first choice it would be a good quality MSP, but I don't want to hunt for a used one, and the new ones look like junk for the most part.

So considering a PCP.  If you had to pick a starter PCP rifle or carbine, and knew you were going to be limited to a hand pump, what would you pick?

I like the looks of the Woods Walker, or Fortitude.

Magazine fed PCP for sure, not even a thought

You can get a Diana Stormrider and a pump for 250 bucks

if you don't mind spending 350 bucks for gun and pump I would look at the new Chinese offerings ( Avenger or Origin )....hard to beat at that price.