Serious barrel drop problem

[Kasilofsteve]

I have an RWS Intec 340 with serious Barrel droop issues. I put a scope on it and my elevation I'm clicking over a hundred clicks just to get it on paper at 20 yards. Using a utg 3×9×32 scope with medium rings. I'm not sure what the issue is should I try lower Rings or is there an issue with the ball bearing and the pivot? Your thoughts please

[A moron]

What about the open sites?

Do you have to max them out as well?  If not try another scope or recenter that scope.  https://rifleopticsworld.com/optically-center-scope/

That many clicks seems excessive and or something's broken.  Ain't but so far the screws in there can go . Then what do I know?

Contact ugt and ask if 100 clicks is normal on there scopes.

[Back_Roads]

 If not the scope, you may need to bend the barrel up about a hundred clicks, I'm sure instructions will follow soon enough.

[VillageSniper]

  If the barrel latches up tight when you close it, not wiggling around, then you may indeed have barrel droop, which is common.  The reciever and barrel are not pointing in the same direction, essentially, when the system is latched up.  Iron sights that are mounted to the barrel will not show this, only when a rear sight is mounted on the dovetails, splitting the sight system.  Outside of testing a different scope or set of adjustable mounts, you can choose to bend the barrel(see Ed) or have the scope rings milled for droop(see Mac1)  Center your scope mechanically by counting clicks before you decide to bend the barrel or before taking measurements of how much droop you have in mos at a known distance if you decide on milling the rings.   A breech seal that is a bit too fat might also cause a bit of droop.  Your scope will have a total moa adjustment range in the specs, if you adjust too much your scope may not hold zero under repeated recoil .  Or shoot with the iron sights.

Vs

[Leaded]

Could be the mount. Check the rings to rail mount, make sure the dovetail or picatinny to ring connection is true and fully seated. One good mount and one “off” mount will throw the scope alignment way off.

[A moron]

I forgot to add like ugt makes barrel droop mount for the rws.

https://www.airgundepot.com/utg-drooper-scope-rail--11mm-to-weaver-adapter.html


https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/a/utg-drooper-scope-rail-11mm-to-weaver-adapter-compensates-for-droop/4191

[Kasilofsteve]

What about the open sites?

Do you have to max them out as well?  If not try another scope or recenter that scope.  https://rifleopticsworld.com/optically-center-scope/

That many clicks seems excessive and or something's broken.  Ain't but so far the screws in there can go . Then what do I know?

Contact ugt and ask if 100 clicks is normal on there scopes.

the gun shoots pretty good with open sights my elevation clicks are not maxed out

[Kasilofsteve]

  If the barrel latches up tight when you close it, not wiggling around, then you may indeed have barrel droop, which is common.  The reciever and barrel are not pointing in the same direction, essentially, when the system is latched up.  Iron sights that are mounted to the barrel will not show this, only when a rear sight is mounted on the dovetails, splitting the sight system.  Outside of testing a different scope or set of adjustable mounts, you can choose to bend the barrel(see Ed) or have the scope rings milled for droop(see Mac1)  Center your scope mechanically by counting clicks before you decide to bend the barrel or before taking measurements of how much droop you have in mos at a known distance if you decide on milling the rings.   A breech seal that is a bit too fat might also cause a bit of droop.  Your scope will have a total moa adjustment range in the specs, if you adjust too much your scope may not hold zero under repeated recoil .  Or shoot with the iron sights.

Vs

yes the barrel does latch up tight doesn't wiggle around going to check it out tomorrow during daylight hours again but thank you for sure

[Doug Wall]

That's what's called barrel droop. It's pretty common, and in cases like yours, a drooper scope mount is called for.

[Kasilofsteve]

Going to check the scope rings and the base plate tomorrow more thoroughly. I may have accidentally over tighten the scope stop screw a little bit too much I think that might be what my problem is not 100% but surely great advice

[Yarddog]

Leapers DNT06 one piece mount from Pyramyd Air will solve your problem

[A moron]

I would ask ugt what the max amount of clicks in any one direction there scopes can go.  . You said  you went 100 clicks I'll assume one way to bring it up?

Are you sure it's not stripped out and just turning with out doing any retical movement ?

I guess I never had a scope or a gun it mounted on that was so excessively out 

Just for testing reasons you could shim the rings between the scope tube and ring  .

Maybe use thin like milk jug plastic to cut shims and carefully stack them in the direction you need to move the scope. Don't use anything that will damage the tube.

If that temporary works out  and good then invest in the ramped droop mount as suggested.

https://www.greybeardoutdoors.com/blog/how-to-shim-a-scope/

[Kasilofsteve]

I would ask ugt what the max amount of clicks in any one direction there scopes can go.  . You said  you went 100 clicks I'll assume one way to bring it up?

Are you sure it's not stripped out and just turning with out doing any retical movement ?

I guess I never had a scope or a gun it mounted on that was so excessively out 

Just for testing reasons you could shim the rings between the scope tube and ring  .

Maybe use thin like milk jug plastic to cut shims and carefully stack them in the direction you need to move the scope. Don't use anything that will damage the tube.

If that temporary works out  and good then invest in the ramped droop mount as suggested.

https://www.greybeardoutdoors.com/blog/how-to-shim-a-scope/

shimming the scope that's a great idea I'm probably going to try that as well. I did not max out my elevation but notice I was going too far on the clicks and said this is not right just to get on paper. I'm going to solve this problem one way or another. Maybe a new scope mount?

[lizzie]

I have a model 34 that is a beautiful older model, and shoots great, but I finally ended up buying a one-piece droop mount for it. I've had another 34 in the past that required the same, and I had no issues after that.

[A moron]

   I'd try the recentering of the scope.    Box and mirror method.

Then secure the scope. On a spot and look through it and click up or down to check rectical travel   if it moves correctly

I guess unless you know how many clicks from centered one direction it takes to bottom out or at the stop limit or keeps clicking no matter. Maybe stripped adjuster inside

Can't hurt to drop ugt a email and get there opinion or specs on that.

I tried to look things up on this deal last nite to maybe post back some better help but nothing much really nothing at all.

Outside of mounting a known good scope to see if you get the same results and can't zero it within a few clicks you just don't know.

I did think it's funny that the droop mount is stated as for a "rws" rifle so it maybe a rws thing overall and a required add on part for scopes on them?

All you can do is what you can and make a move on what's what and what's next to do.

Like lizzy her rws's needs that droop mount ,so?

[Ribbonstone]

Just a couple of checks that shouldn't cost anything but time.

Acouple of long straight edges (like yard sticks) can help visualize what's going on.  One laid evely on the scope rain/compression tube and one laid evenly along the barrel. Just easier to see what the relationshipis with 3 feet of straight edge along side each other.

Even better is 3 feet of straight 1" wooden dowel (or a mop handle..plastic pipe.....so long as it's straight) clamped down in the rings.   That would give you a great visualization of the relationship bettween the barrel and the scope's line.

Try swapping the rings (or flipping a one piece mount).  Possible they weren't made "even". If it still shoots low,then can be pretty sure the rings/mount isn't the problem.

IF using a scope stop screw (a set screw that pokes down into a recess/hole in the scope rail),but sure that's not tight before clamping the rings/mount.  Doesn't need to be tight, it'sjust to stop sliding....and if it is tightened first,will jack up that end a little bit.

Previous post pretty well covered the simple ways....shims,adjustablemounts,or barrel bending.  Depending on the amount of change needed,have used all of them on one rifle or another.

Shims basically bow the scope. One ring holds it flat and even...the other jackes it up...scope is actually a bit bowed...but it's slight and often fixes the problem.

Adjustable mounts had better be good mounts....the more screws that can loosen, the more things that can get loose.

[A moron]

Ya, as I said use the shims to test and don't crank the rings down like you would normally . You just want a idea of the offset amount needed.  Bushnell or one scope brand does make a shim kit or use to for permanent mounting  tapered to fit the offset angle the tube would be in the rings.   You bend that tube you may as well chunk that scope.

https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/sight-scope-installation-tools/scope-shims/scope-shim-kit-prod914.aspx

https://us.hawkeoptics.com/mount-inserts-1.html

Personally if it was just droop I'd get the droop mount

[lizzie]

I did think it's funny that the droop mount is stated as for a "rws" rifle so it maybe a rws thing overall and a required add on part for scopes on them?

All you can do is what you can and make a move on what's what and what's next to do.

Like lizzy her rws's needs that droop mount ,so?

The model 34's seem to have a long time reputation for having droop problems.

[A moron]

I did think it's funny that the droop mount is stated as for a "rws" rifle so it maybe a rws thing overall and a required add on part for scopes on them?

All you can do is what you can and make a move on what's what and what's next to do.

Like lizzy her rws's needs that droop mount ,so?

The model 34's seem to have a long time reputation for having droop problems.

Think due to the ball bearing breach locking  not to say it can't happen on anything else.   Like you say it's common on them it seems.

[Nvreloader]

You can also use height adjustable scope rings, that will not bend your scope.............
I had to use a pair of these rings on my 150 Crosman pistol when I mounted a scope on it.

I centered the crosshairs and then used to ring height adjustments to get very close at 25 yds,
then used the scope internal adjustments for the final amount needed etc.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-Adjustable-25-4mm-Ring-Scope-Mount-Adapter-Fit-Dovetail-Weaver-Base-Rail-US/333730104991?

Don