AV Avenger

[Madd Hatter]

Thank you Rowan and Robert. I will change my avatar.

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[Wayne52]

Stephen I'm subscribed to your youtube channel so I seen the video soon after you posted it.  Awesome video that you did for sure and extremely informative !!!

[Antwuan Maxx]

This looks pretty interesting...

https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/air-venturi-avenger-extender-1-2-x-20-adapter-a64

It's designed for the Avenger (also works with the Liberty) to solve clearance issues with certain suppressors and the fill port, but it also centers the barrel, which reduces clipping issues.   Seems like it would add more rigidity to the barrel as well.  I wonder how much this will help or hurt accuracy.

[be4meliz]

I hate the accuracy on my .25- Can't seem to miss- get's BORING LOL -Just kidding- best out of box rifle EVER!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=177542.0;attach=329579
2000 rounds thru & still no leaks- It's a winner
 

[Nomadic Pirate]

That was a real cool video,

I liked the real time surprise, very honest and straight forward.

A few things the guy was not to stoked about.

......definitely a lot of gun for the price, But if I had one I don't think I would fill it past 200 BAR, just for long term longevity ( Metal fatigue )

[Dan H]

Steve at AEAC has around 4000 shots threw his Avenger .22.... all of his testing is showing max fill , and shot count , so there appears to be no issue with the air tubes holding up at this point ... 

I cant imagine the factory that puts these out with their experience / track record would build this gun with the wrong specked air tube for the pressure ,and I am dead positive   Air Venturi would not put their name on it , if it had a  suspect air tube , and from what I understand they tested it to 7500 with no issues at all ...

I can see  the reason for not filling the large scba tanks to 4500 psi ,and only going to 3800 psi so there is less wear and tear on your compressor ,and just getting less shots for running the compressor easer .... 

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
 between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.

I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.

[mrbulk]

Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
 between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.

I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.

I too have fallen under their spell, got an Avenger .22 incoming...

[Nomadic Pirate]

Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
 between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.

I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.

I too have fallen under their spell, got an Avenger .22 incoming...

Been sold on China PCP products since I started using the 50 bucks handpump, then hearing of all the great reports on guns from members here that I respect the judgment of.

same with compressors,

China is getting great PCP products to the public at an incredible low price.

[avator]

Must be some truth to that.. some of the bigger names are rebranding and selling them.

[Dan H]

China = super cheap labor  ,  they are payed almost nothing compared to the average  wage in the USA , and their standard of living reflects that , and that my friends is how we get these super cheap air guns from China ,... Turkish air guns same scenario , India is another mass population cheap labor country ...

Now switch over to Europe ,and close by  or the USA ... the quality goes way up ,but so does the price  FX , RAW , XP air guns,  and all the rest ....   

[Dan H]

Yes China is showing how much more influential they are in the Low cost bracket of the PCP world then anybody else,
 between guns, pumps and compressor they are giving the public great affordable products that the was majority of the population can afford.

I hope the Avenger last and that way the China influence will be very much cemented.

Its really not the China influence , its the American/European  market place they are copying over all ,and being influenced by, and  doing it for less money with ultra cheap labor with people that live a much lower standard of living , this is what my friends from China tell me ,...

 Their quality has moved up over the years in order to make the sales , years back they started making aluminum high performance racing cylinder heads for small block Chevy's , and other motors  , at first they failed on the quality , then they started using better materials better casting /machine work to the heads ,and now you can buy a set of racing heads for  $500 to $800 really good quality ,  instead of $2000 AFR heads or a like  - manufactured  in the  USA ... of course they are not the ones that invented the SBC they simply copied the parts , and did it with ultra cheap labor ...

[Wayne52]

Personally I think that if manufacturing here in the U.S. was up to par for products like airguns I personally would probably buy them myself.  The example that I'm going to use is a Crosman 150 type 1 that was built in 1954&1955.  The guns are built like a tank and I'd personally buy a brand new one just like the originals if they started building them again.  It's clearly evident that these guns can last a life time.

price in 1955 - $14.95  price today - $144.99



Would be nice if Crosman started building guns like they use to for quality and longevity again rather than importing them . . . . maybe people just don't want to work anymore. I realize that working conditions aren't the same today as they were in 1954 however I'm still alive and kicking. 

[Nomadic Pirate]

....many people say, LOL ...My friends tell me, LOL

[Wayne52]

Most people today never have known the REAL meaning of work, I have done everything from suckering grapes as a kid to an electronics tech.  Sometimes work actually involves a little sweat and thinking.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Most people today never have known the REAL meaning of work, I have done everything from suckering grapes as a kid to an electronics tech.  Sometimes work actually involves a little sweat and thinking.

BINGO !!!!!!!

[Dan H]

Personally I think that if manufacturing here in the U.S. was up to par for products like airguns I personally would probably buy them myself.  The example that I'm going to use is a Crosman 150 type 1 that was built in 1954&1955.  The guns are built like a tank and I'd personally buy a brand new one just like the originals if they started building them again.  It's clearly evident that these guns can last a life time.

price in 1955 - $14.95  price today - $144.99



Would be nice if Crosman started building guns like they use to for quality and longevity again rather than importing them . . . . maybe people just don't want to work anymore. I realize that working conditions aren't the same today as they were in 1954 however I'm still alive and kicking.

  Wayne take a look at this one , I talked Dave Gunther a well known air gun tuner /collector Portland Oregon area ... out of this one about 15 years ago  a pristine crosman 111 with original bulk fill cylinder       production   was from 1950 to 1954  that gun is dead on ! extremely accurate ,and it just fits my hand absolutely perfect ... I would put that gun up against any thing China makes in a similar configuration ...

A perfect example of a very high quality American made air gun , just after WW2 ...   

   

[Wayne52]

Soon after I bought my Avenger I was putting a lot of shots through it but haven't checked in a while with the Chrony, as many of you know everything I shoot I cast myself these days so I won't be doing anymore soon because I want to conserve on my 26 grain Hunter pellets for hunting.  This gun is a tack driver to say the least, it's hard to say what I could have done with this gun in my prime shooting days. Today it's way more accurate than I am and am going to use it the way it is because with as many shots that I can get (even from a 250bar fill) I see no sense in doing any internal mods the way it is.  The mods I will probably do in the near future will be external (like the divot issue) and can be returned to original.

If this gun fails internally before the warranty I'll probably find out what is wrong with it myself anyway.
The only issue I foresee would be the poppet however I seem to recall seeing the poppets aren't the same
I believe they're a bigger diameter than the Liberty's were.  The poppet is still the same type design though.



I got six squirrels opening day with this gun.

[Dan H]

I think they figured out the poppet  problem ,and perhaps made it more reliable . Steve AEAC has going on 4000 shots threw his Avenger so that might be and indicator on that part being made to last longer , hopefully the manufacture put it threw the paces in testing ,so it will last longer ...


I don't  have any plans either to modify the internals ,or maybe just the barrel port opened up a bit for slugs if I go that direction  , other wise the gun is dead on with jsb 25.39  , .. I have had thoughts of getting  another XP air guns in .30 or .308  with long barrel ,and correct twist rate for slug design .. I have to get on the casting again ,I have several new molds for .40 , and .45  that I need to test out ... fun fun ! ...  

 I got lucky on a 150g cheap Lee mold in .40 that my Badger love's  its producing 300fpe with that 150g ,and extremely accurate  ... 
 

[Bob Pratl]

Wayne take a look at this one , I talked Dave Gunther a well known air gun tuner /collector Portland Oregon area ... out of this one about 15 years ago  a pristine crosman 111 with original bulk fill cylinder       production   was from 1950 to 1954  that gun is dead on ! extremely accurate ,and it just fits my hand absolutely perfect ... I would put that gun up against any thing China makes in a similar configuration ...
A perfect example of a very high quality American made air gun , just after WW2 ...   

That is a beauty for a 70 year old AG.