Hatsan Model 1000 Vortex Striker .25

[Ronno6]

I have dissected a bicycle chain link and netted 2 rollers that are similar in size to the BB...
Total cost...........$0.00..........I will test to see how hair-pull they make the trigger....
That's gonna be 'bout the bottom floor, unless you can find someone to pay you to rake some bearings....
I believe they are a tad smaller on the OD....may help the safety issue.

Also straightened out the blade a tad.

[Ronno6]

Just dinking around and the chain roller and blade straightening resulted in a nice trigger.
I'm sure there are improvements yet to be achieved with polishing,etc....

I did have to grind a touch off the bottom of the trigger, as straightening it caused the bottom to hit the trigger guard...

[Wayne52]

Wayne.... test your safety before you rely on it.
My gun passes the 'bump' test very well and the auto safety engages as it should but, I can fire the gun with the safety on.
I'm not worried about this. I am the only shooter of this gun. I don't leave the gun cocked and loaded. When I cock and load the gun, I shoot the gun.
I've learned my lesson. I point all my guns in a safe direction and pull the triggers before I put them away.

Bill I'm not a fan of the auto safety to begin with, I'll check it but when I'm in the woods hunting I have my safe in the off postion unless there another person walking my direction, then I put it on safe because usually it's a friend (I've gotten to know all the regular dog walkers out there) walking his dog/dogs.  The one guy has an Australian shepherd and the other guy had 2 pitbulls up until only a couple weeks ago his younger one had gotten out of the car when Randy got there, the dog was really excited for being there and took off running, Randy said he walked up there around a bend where he'd last seen him and he had collapsed and was dead motionless from a heart attack.  Last time I talked with him about a week ago he said he knew that the dog had a bad heart when he got him a few years ago from a dog rescue place.

[Ronno6]

Are those triggers even still available?
I want to learn more about this roller bearing mod. Or at least read about it again because, if I have read about it, I forgot all about it.

Yup. Will still has some and wants them gone.......maybe an investment for somebody...........

[barracudadave67]

Well.................. For what its worth. I picked up 2 of the Hatsan 1000s, one in .177, and the other in .25, from Midway when they had them on sale, with the free shipping.
I think it was a good deal.
They have free shipping again right now.

New Guy
Dave

[Back_Roads]

Where you get those .25 NOE wadcutters?  I have been looking for a .25 wadcutter for some time.

I don't need MOA accuracy, just about an inch at 15-20 yards with a .25 lead frying pan.  Of course more accuracy be even better. 

Perfect hunting pellet.

Read back through the thread, Wayne52 is one and does in a couple weights and there's someone else making their own.

I believe Back Roads is also casting them... I'm waiting for a sample of his as well.

Yeah sorry about the delay , boss threw his back out and has been laid up, so it has all been on me as of late, but now seeing your results , I will add a few other designs in the mix for when I can get to shipping, hey if it fits it ships right

[Back_Roads]

Just dinking around and the chain roller and blade straightening resulted in a nice trigger.
I'm sure there are improvements yet to be achieved with polishing,etc....

I did have to grind a touch off the bottom of the trigger, as straightening it caused the bottom to hit the trigger guard...

When time allows I will try the bike chain mod also, I am thinking a trigger shoe may help with the feel I am looking for then.

[mac]

Even the longer screw mod made mine unsafe so I went back to stock. I don’t shoot it a lot and when I do It is pretty dang accurate so I’ve just decided to deal with it as is.

[Bryan Heimann]

Worse comes to worse you can always stage out the creep.  As it breaks in and you become familiar with your gun, you can learn how many times it "creeps" before it breaks and use it like a 27 stage creepy trigger, lol.  It does work.  But on something like a B19 it can go like this:

Inhale, exhale, sight alignment, sight picture, slow steady squeeze "CREEP".

Inhale, exhale, sight alignment, sight picture, slow steady squeeze "CREEP".

Inhale, exhale, sight alignment, sight picture, slow steady squeeze "CREEP".

Inhale, exhale, sight alignment, sight picture, slow steady squeeze "CREEP".

Inhale, exhale, sight alignment, sight picture, slow steady squeeze "CREEP"

So on so forth until the rabbit hops away or the gun goes off.  Plus you are weaving back and forth a little shooting off hand it can become tricky!

Alternately you could just snap the shot off as the sights move back and forth across the target, time it right. But not as consistent.

It is always worth the time it takes to tinker with a springer in the long run, and tinkering is half the fun.

[Wayne52]

I've decided not to do the bearing thing right now because it sounds like these triggers are very touchy, I'll continue shooting mine as stock for now.  Next time I get out with it I'll bring the 26 grain hunters that I cast along as well as the wadd cutters again, maybe in the morning because I'm very curious how it's going to shoot the NOE .25 Hunters now.  I seen that Bill had good luck with the JSB 25.39's which seem to perform about the same as my 26 grainers do in other guns   Time will tell.

[avator]

Well we all know that all triggers aren't the same. I'm sure the sear blade could use some smoothing and deburring. Pretty sure it's a stamped part. Trim lines in dies dull over time and usually don't get attention until there is a major issue. I've seen as much as a 3 mil +- tolerance allowed in some of the automotive parts we stamp at work.

[Wayne52]

[Ronno6]

FWIW Airgun Depot has JSB Kings in the 350ct tins, $18.99/tin, buy 3 get 1 free......
Net $14.24/tin, plus about $9.00 shipping....still not as good as Treiner Outdoors, but they have 'em.....

[avator]

Where you get those .25 NOE wadcutters?  I have been looking for a .25 wadcutter for some time.

I don't need MOA accuracy, just about an inch at 15-20 yards with a .25 lead frying pan.  Of course more accuracy be even better. 

Perfect hunting pellet.

Read back through the thread, Wayne52 is one and does in a couple weights and there's someone else making their own.

I believe Back Roads is also casting them... I'm waiting for a sample of his as well.

Yeah sorry about the delay , boss threw his back out and has been laid up, so it has all been on me as of late, but now seeing your results , I will add a few other designs in the mix for when I can get to shipping, hey if it fits it ships right

Tinkering and trying new pellets out is great fun but, real life comes first.... take care your business and worry about sending pellets later.... I got more pellets than I can shoot.... 

[Wayne52]

Bill I did try the ball bearing, talking about a hair trigger, I put it back to stock then did that chrony test with it.  I'm finding that if I'm gripping the gun like I would a 458 magnum it shoots better, just not use to shooting that way though.  They do take some learning how to shoot for sure.

[avator]

Bill I did try the ball bearing, talking about a hair trigger, I put it back to stock then did that chrony test with it.  I'm finding that if I'm gripping the gun like I would a 458 magnum it shoots better, just not use to shooting that way though.  They do take some learning how to shoot for sure.

Yep, I have a trigger that likes the bearing alone, one that likes the bearing, spring and screw, one that likes the longer screw and one that just likes stock. All without messing with the sear blade.... pretty sure that would help all.

[Ronno6]

Bill I did try the ball bearing, talking about a hair trigger, I put it back to stock then did that chrony test with it.  I'm finding that if I'm gripping the gun like I would a 458 magnum it shoots better, just not use to shooting that way though.  They do take some learning how to shoot for sure.

I used the bicycle chain roller rather than the bearing and turned out nice.....
I may still install a lighter torsion spring.

[avator]

I wonder.....
If a guy could do a build up of JB Weld and turn is down to the perfect size? The stock pin is not a roller or a bearing. It's just a pin so just increasing the size shouldn't be an issue.
Or even some stacked washers turned down.

[Ronno6]

Increasing pin dia would necessitate opening up the hole in the trigger to match.....

[avator]

Not if you sized and use washers. Or some other type of sleeve. Or even a different size bearing.
I'm talking about the triggers that don't respond well to the 5x8mm bearing, not the ones that work well with it.