What classic did you shoot today

[bantam5s]

I shot my customized '65 Crosman 180 again today.

[Wayne52]

Here's another numbers shoot with my Crosman 600

[78gCollector]

It was a rainy weekend here, so I decided to reseal a couple pistols I've had for a while.  The first was a Smith & Wesson 78g that was a first year productions gun and the second was a Daisy Powerline 790 Phase 2 pistol with the drop safe trigger modification.  It was interesting seeing them both apart at the same time.

When reassembled they both held air, so I took them out for a while between storms.  Shooting them side by side made it very apparent that Daisy's design changes have a negative impact in terms of shootability!  People generally comment on the bad trigger, and to be sure, the modified trigger has a long and heavy pull that came to about 7.5 lbs on my trigger gauge.  (Compared to about 3 lbs for the Smith.)  The plastic bolt on the Daisy was even worse!  Compared the the smooth action on the Smith, the 790's bolt felt very cheap. 

[Spacebus]

After snagging a Crosman 600 I've been but by the vintage CO2 bug and now I want a target pistol. There are some Mk1s for sale in the classifieds and an ebay 150 I have my eye on.

What are the pros and cons of the 150 compared to the Mk1?

Is there a big difference in length, power, shots per cart, or accuracy between the two?

What would you chose with a similar budget?

I saw a few 252s, but I don't like the 8g carts

[SwampHunter]

After snagging a Crosman 600 I've been but by the vintage CO2 bug and now I want a target pistol. There are some Mk1s for sale in the classifieds and an ebay 150 I have my eye on.

What are the pros and cons of the 150 compared to the Mk1?

Is there a big difference in length, power, shots per cart, or accuracy between the two?

What would you chose with a similar budget?

I saw a few 252s, but I don't like the 8g carts

I'm curious as well...seems like a steel breech 2240 would be similar to a 150. I had the same question but went the mk route, gotta get the seal kit installed but if you go this route, vernon austin makes a nice set of grips for it. The plastic ones are a turn off to me. And you can get ambi grips from him so it fits a holster good, I wanted something I could tote in the woods.

[avator]

Wayne's 150s are what inspired my 2240 stubbies. One in .22 and one in .177.
They are not classics so I won't post pics here but if you search Willie G. and Twisted Sister you'll find them.   

[Spacebus]

After snagging a Crosman 600 I've been but by the vintage CO2 bug and now I want a target pistol. There are some Mk1s for sale in the classifieds and an ebay 150 I have my eye on.

What are the pros and cons of the 150 compared to the Mk1?

Is there a big difference in length, power, shots per cart, or accuracy between the two?

What would you chose with a similar budget?

I saw a few 252s, but I don't like the 8g carts

I'm curious as well...seems like a steel breech 2240 would be similar to a 150. I had the same question but went the mk route, gotta get the seal kit installed but if you go this route, vernon austin makes a nice set of grips for it. The plastic ones are a turn off to me. And you can get ambi grips from him so it fits a holster good, I wanted something I could tote in the woods.

I'm hoping to use my 600 for hares/farm duty, but a 150 or MK1 might be enough to get squirrels too.

I've thought about a 2240 with steel breech, but I don't have the skill to cut a barrel and crown it to be short like a 150 or Mk1. Plus then I would have to figure out a front sight. A plain Jane 2240 is cheap, and I could add onto it as I go. A aluminum (or steel) breech and a stubby barrel sounds like it would be the same OAL as a 150, but won't have that vintage charm (and I'm sure the 150 has a lot of other differences). By the time I've customized a 2240, I could easily have just bought a Mk1 or 150.

[SwampHunter]

Wayne's 150s are what inspired my 2240 stubbies. One in .22 and one in .177.
They are not classics so I won't post pics here but if you search Willie G. and Twisted Sister you'll find them.   

I have seen them, they are why I ordered the short barrel and built one similar lol, I have since taken it apart for another build and am currently kicking myself for doing lol, looks like another parts round up is in order!

[SwampHunter]

After snagging a Crosman 600 I've been but by the vintage CO2 bug and now I want a target pistol. There are some Mk1s for sale in the classifieds and an ebay 150 I have my eye on.

What are the pros and cons of the 150 compared to the Mk1?

Is there a big difference in length, power, shots per cart, or accuracy between the two?

What would you chose with a similar budget?

I saw a few 252s, but I don't like the 8g carts

I'm curious as well...seems like a steel breech 2240 would be similar to a 150. I had the same question but went the mk route, gotta get the seal kit installed but if you go this route, vernon austin makes a nice set of grips for it. The plastic ones are a turn off to me. And you can get ambi grips from him so it fits a holster good, I wanted something I could tote in the woods.

I'm hoping to use my 600 for hares/farm duty, but a 150 or MK1 might be enough to get squirrels too.

I've thought about a 2240 with steel breech, but I don't have the skill to cut a barrel and crown it to be short like a 150 or Mk1. Plus then I would have to figure out a front sight. A plain Jane 2240 is cheap, and I could add onto it as I go. A aluminum (or steel) breech and a stubby barrel sounds like it would be the same OAL as a 150, but won't have that vintage charm (and I'm sure the 150 has a lot of other differences). By the time I've customized a 2240, I could easily have just bought a Mk1 or 150.

You can order the stubby barrel from melon air for around $12 , a disco front sight and whichever rear sight you prefer for the steel breech.

[Spacebus]

After snagging a Crosman 600 I've been but by the vintage CO2 bug and now I want a target pistol. There are some Mk1s for sale in the classifieds and an ebay 150 I have my eye on.

What are the pros and cons of the 150 compared to the Mk1?

Is there a big difference in length, power, shots per cart, or accuracy between the two?

What would you chose with a similar budget?

I saw a few 252s, but I don't like the 8g carts

I'm curious as well...seems like a steel breech 2240 would be similar to a 150. I had the same question but went the mk route, gotta get the seal kit installed but if you go this route, vernon austin makes a nice set of grips for it. The plastic ones are a turn off to me. And you can get ambi grips from him so it fits a holster good, I wanted something I could tote in the woods.

I'm hoping to use my 600 for hares/farm duty, but a 150 or MK1 might be enough to get squirrels too.

I've thought about a 2240 with steel breech, but I don't have the skill to cut a barrel and crown it to be short like a 150 or Mk1. Plus then I would have to figure out a front sight. A plain Jane 2240 is cheap, and I could add onto it as I go. A aluminum (or steel) breech and a stubby barrel sounds like it would be the same OAL as a 150, but won't have that vintage charm (and I'm sure the 150 has a lot of other differences). By the time I've customized a 2240, I could easily have just bought a Mk1 or 150.

You can order the stubby barrel from melon air for around $12 , a disco front sight and whichever rear sight you prefer for the steel breech.

Melon says you can't use a factory Crosman front sight on their stubby barrel, but I did find the website last night. Is there an easy work around for the front sight (maybe just sanding the bottom)? Is Melon still active?

Even still, with a 2240 xl or 2240 and an aftermarket metal breech and stubby barrel I'm pretty close to the price of a vintage pistol. However, the 2240 is very easy to mount optics, which is a point worth considering for hunting.

Something else I found was Wyo Man's thread on the 25 cal 2240 with a stubby barrel, that I do want to try.

So far in my research the Mk1 is reported to be more accurate than the 150, so that might be my second vintage pistol.

[Rick67]

After snagging a Crosman 600 I've been but by the vintage CO2 bug and now I want a target pistol. There are some Mk1s for sale in the classifieds and an ebay 150 I have my eye on.

What are the pros and cons of the 150 compared to the Mk1?

Is there a big difference in length, power, shots per cart, or accuracy between the two?

What would you chose with a similar budget?

I saw a few 252s, but I don't like the 8g carts

I'm curious as well...seems like a steel breech 2240 would be similar to a 150. I had the same question but went the mk route, gotta get the seal kit installed but if you go this route, vernon austin makes a nice set of grips for it. The plastic ones are a turn off to me. And you can get ambi grips from him so it fits a holster good, I wanted something I could tote in the woods.

I'm hoping to use my 600 for hares/farm duty, but a 150 or MK1 might be enough to get squirrels too.

I've thought about a 2240 with steel breech, but I don't have the skill to cut a barrel and crown it to be short like a 150 or Mk1. Plus then I would have to figure out a front sight. A plain Jane 2240 is cheap, and I could add onto it as I go. A aluminum (or steel) breech and a stubby barrel sounds like it would be the same OAL as a 150, but won't have that vintage charm (and I'm sure the 150 has a lot of other differences). By the time I've customized a 2240, I could easily have just bought a Mk1 or 150.

You can order the stubby barrel from melon air for around $12 , a disco front sight and whichever rear sight you prefer for the steel breech.

Melon says you can't use a factory Crosman front sight on their stubby barrel, but I did find the website last night. Is there an easy work around for the front sight (maybe just sanding the bottom)? Is Melon still active?

Even still, with a 2240 xl or 2240 and an aftermarket metal breech and stubby barrel I'm pretty close to the price of a vintage pistol. However, the 2240 is very easy to mount optics, which is a point worth considering for hunting.

Something else I found was Wyo Man's thread on the 25 cal 2240 with a stubby barrel, that I do want to try.

So far in my research the Mk1 is reported to be more accurate than the 150, so that might be my second vintage pistol.

The latest 1377 barrel band would be good for that.

A long time ago, I sliced mine with a cutter blade to use the lower part, the plug, to float my 13xx’s barrel.

Sanded, it looks perfect, but I eventually replaced it with a Blue Fork plug.

So the the top half, the sight, now has a flat bottom, courtesy of the blade, for ease of sanding.

[bantam5s]

I tried to do a snub nose 2240, but mine was just barely accurate enough for cans at 10yds and that's not good enough for me.
I know I can do a good barrel crown too, so I know it wasn't that.

It's funny that I started with a snub nose barrel in mind and wound up going the opposite direction with a 10" barrel.

[Spacebus]

I tried to do a snub nose 2240, but mine was just barely accurate enough for cans at 10yds and that's not good enough for me.
I know I can do a good barrel crown too, so I know it wasn't that.

It's funny that I started with a snub nose barrel in mind and wound up going the opposite direction with a 10" barrel.

I found a lot of PA and other blog posts about the Mark 1, and almost every time the 2240 was said to be more accurate, which is why I snagged one.

Hopefully my 600 hasn't lost any gas and I can squeeze off a few shots after work today.

[Wayne52]

I popped of ten quick shots with my 600 early this morning   It's holding air indefinitely because I put that cartridge in it a couple
days ago! 

[Spacebus]

I popped of ten quick shots with my 600 early this morning   It's holding air indefinitely because I put that cartridge in it a couple
days ago!

Mine didn't change weight over night. Hopefully that is still the case after I take a few shots. I got it to not leak from the exhaust valve once, but I foolishly shot it right away. I'm hoping after 24 hours the seals will be swollen with CO2. When my definitely not vintage 2240 shows up I'll send it to Rick.

[45flint]

Went over my new to me Britannia. Normalize a spring that had a broken end. Didn’t loose much power hitting at 550 FPS which is on the light side of normal 700 FPS.  Happy as is given original 110 year old spring.  Sighting in went well.  Will not be my best target rifle but holding and firing something from 1905 is a bit of a kick all its own.

[SwampHunter]

Went over my new to me Britannia. Normalize a spring that had a broken end. Didn’t loose much power hitting at 550 FPS which is on the light side of normal 700 FPS.  Happy as is given original 110 year old spring.  Sighting in went well.  Will not be my best target rifle but holding and firing something from 1905 is a bit of a kick all its own.

man that is a cool old rifle! why cant they make things like this now??? for the prices these older air guns command it sure seems like someone could make $$$ off a new model.

[CaptJ]

Went over my new to me Britannia. Normalize a spring that had a broken end. Didn’t loose much power hitting at 550 FPS which is on the light side of normal 700 FPS.  Happy as is given original 110 year old spring.  Sighting in went well.  Will not be my best target rifle but holding and firing something from 1905 is a bit of a kick all its own.

So cool! Does the firing cycle feel much different?

[Spacebus]

I popped of ten quick shots with my 600 early this morning   It's holding air indefinitely because I put that cartridge in it a couple
days ago!

Mine didn't change weight over night. Hopefully that is still the case after I take a few shots. I got it to not leak from the exhaust valve once, but I foolishly shot it right away. I'm hoping after 24 hours the seals will be swollen with CO2. When my definitely not vintage 2240 shows up I'll send it to Rick.

Update. The gun wasn't leaking when I got home, but after a few shots she started spitting out ice. There's some finesse required to put the cap on without losing the whole cart, but now it's consistently staying sealed before I take any shots. The leaking after shooting has also decreased. I'm hoping that if I keep shooting it and leaving it charged after it will keep getting better.

I shot maybe 50-ish pellets into a trap just for testing purposes. I suppose it still counts though! 

[45flint]

Went over my new to me Britannia. Normalize a spring that had a broken end. Didn’t loose much power hitting at 550 FPS which is on the light side of normal 700 FPS.  Happy as is given original 110 year old spring.  Sighting in went well.  Will not be my best target rifle but holding and firing something from 1905 is a bit of a kick all its own.

So cool! Does the firing cycle feel much different?

Yes, totally different feel given most of the weight is behind your hands. Usually your hand are supporting the weight.  The spring coming up from behind is unique as well but I think the former is the most difference?