Author Topic: The .20 H.S. (Read 5951 times))

SteveP-52 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 03, 2020, 11:55:05 AM »

John my friend, I may have asked before if you have one or not, but if not, I'd say it's seriously time to invest in a quality chronograph to chart real numbers in real time while you're doing the shooting. Mine was one of the best investments I've made in charting performance of my rifles.
Basing what you "see and hear" in pellet impacts between different guns is one thing and there should be, but having the real FPS numbers and conversions to FPE while you're actually shooting will go a long way to helping Hector should he need to help you sort things out.

fwbsport · « **Reply #41 on:** April 03, 2020, 12:35:09 PM »

Quote from: SteveP-52 on April 03, 2020, 11:55:05 AM

John my friend, I may have asked before if you have one or not, but if not, I'd say it's seriously time to invest in a quality chronograph to chart real numbers in real time while you're doing the shooting. Mine was one of the best investments I've made in charting performance of my rifles.
Basing what you "see and hear" in pellet impacts between different guns is one thing and there should be, but having the real FPS numbers and conversions to FPE while you're actually shooting will go a long way to helping Hector should he need to help you sort things out.

Exactly!

I can't and won't buy more rifles my wife put the foot down on that!

So I have to get a chrono and I know it's time!

HectorMedina · « **Reply #42 on:** April 05, 2020, 10:50:55 AM »

I insist:

Cecelia is a GEM of a woman.

Congrats, my friend!

HM

fwbsport · « **Reply #43 on:** April 05, 2020, 01:29:40 PM »

Quote from: HectorMedina on April 05, 2020, 10:50:55 AM

I insist:

Cecelia is a GEM of a woman.

Congrats, my friend!

HM

I'm still worrying about the dry fire awhile ago. Can I just "forget" it? If you say so I can.

Yeah she is my 3rd wife! Back in 2005 when we were mobilized together for Iraqi Freedom and Afghanistan Something(!) I'm forgetting my Operations!

The Army did a lot of things for me that I never expected......

HectorMedina · « **Reply #44 on:** April 06, 2020, 04:39:35 PM »

Quote from: fwbsport on April 05, 2020, 01:29:40 PM

I'm still worrying about the dry fire awhile ago. Can I just "forget" it? If you say so I can.

Yeah she is my 3rd wife! Back in 2005 when we were mobilized together for Iraqi Freedom and Afghanistan Something(!) I'm forgetting my Operations!

The Army did a lot of things for me that I never expected......

John;

Don't ask me, ask the gun!

If she's still shooting to POA, and if you feel you have the "Smack" you had before at the target, then that's all that matters.

While I DO use a chrono every day, for professional purposes, unless I feel there is a problem I don't use it on my guns.

Chronos are like stethoscopes. You can buy one and you can use it, but unless you are trained and observant, the fears it can put into you may be a bigger problem than the "problem" you thought you detected.
A good friend once said to me: "He who lives by the chrono will die by the chrono". And I have found that to be very true.

If the gun isn't complaining in any way, just forget it.

Keep well and shoot straight!

HM

HectorMedina · « **Reply #45 on:** April 06, 2020, 04:49:53 PM »

Just wanted to add one more thing:

IF at ANY TIME, you feel the need for me to look into the gun, ship it back.
I will look into it and, if need be, repair it free of charge.
You WILL have to pay both shipping charges, but service is free for the first year.

We're all human.

;-)

Keep well and shoot straight!

HM

fwbsport · « **Reply #46 on:** April 07, 2020, 03:02:59 PM »

Quote from: HectorMedina on April 06, 2020, 04:49:53 PM

Just wanted to add one more thing:

IF at ANY TIME, you feel the need for me to look into the gun, ship it back.
I will look into it and, if need be, repair it free of charge.
You WILL have to pay both shipping charges, but service is free for the first year.

We're all human.

;-)

Keep well and shoot straight!

HM

Aha! And Aha! to the aforementioned!

That's what I did (fogotaboutit)!

I was worried that your time on a current build would restrict attention to it.

While your rifle is the top in accuracy, I have and HW80 .25 and HW95L .25 that are hand in hand just as accurate offhand!

I am attributing this to learning how to shoot the sidelever over time, which improved my off hold stance. I'm having fun out here comparing rifles just because of the .20 H.S.

dtdtdtdt · « **Reply #47 on:** April 07, 2020, 04:23:44 PM »

Great discussion on how to do things right!!!

Hector built a 20 caliber 54 for me from one of the "30" he had built early on. He did all the good things he could to make it wonderful.

I guess I am one of the "bad" shooters he refers to above. I got my new toy and within a couple weeks had managed to damage (destroy?) his custom piston. I am not sure what I did or what exactly happened internally but the piston disintegrated and had to be replaced! It was shooting GREAT UNTIL I COULDN'T GET IT TO STAY COCKED! It did slip out of my grip while I cocking it and was "jarred" on a table edge. Then the problem started. After consulting with Hector, I built a compressor, took it apart and found the damage. Hector being a real gentleman didn't call me an idiot and bungler but replaced the piston with an OEM one under warranty. A guess is that I was overcocking the rifle and not watching for the trigger to move and re-latch. I learned my lesson!!!!

I too added a cheekpiece (an elastic one with pads inside. Courtesy of Hector, I lightened the trigger spring and put a trigger adjustment screw in to shorten the trigger pull.

What did I pay for it? I don't remember for sure but it was around $2000 including the ZR mount and the Sightron scope, the monstrous case, shipping and 1000 pellets lubed Hector's way. I didn't damage myself during the unpacking phase so can't add the ER charges.....

What I do remember is the groups I shot with it next to my FWB300 at 30yds. Six 10 shot groups Group size for both averaged about .45" or less inches at 30yds with the difference between the two rifles being 0.01". The 54 accounted for only three chipmunks that fall and was put away for other pursuits for the winter. A couple weeks ago, I got it out for spring cleaning of chipmunks. At the range at 50' the very first pellet was exactly dead center in the 10m practice target. 60 more were no more than a 1/4" from the center. With this practice target each shot goes into its own bullseye so you can see if it is sloppy (or I am.) I have a .177 stock 54 that shoots well but one can easily see the difference between them.

I am contemplating asking Hector to tune my .177 and set up a .22 from the new version of the 54 when it comes out.

We will see!

FWBsport - you will have a lot of fun. Cheers!

fwbsport · « **Reply #48 on:** April 07, 2020, 07:14:52 PM »

Dave,
The "gun" is sitting to my left leaning against a wall where the Presidents of the United States of America are photographed!

The leather cheek piece works great and that was added by him.

The scope is sensational to me, and if I could get more of those I will.

There's a notch at the last trigger pull in the D54 matching what was on Hector's D54 .20, very very lite "spot" where that trigger IS going to go with just another tweak. Getting to THAT trigger position is tricky, but once there I'm "in the zone" as Hector puts it.

Right now the dry fire to me is a significant but not unacceptable "battle scar" and whatever it's doing now is too close to what it was before--I'd have had to have a chrono from the start.

SteveP-52 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 07, 2020, 07:23:31 PM »

Still not too late for one and since you mentioned it again, Dvor just happens to have the Pro Chrono Digital with built in blue tooth on sale for $105. Have one myself but the blue tooth part back then was a $65 add on I paid the extra for. Sign up is free and that's not a bad deal.

https://www.dvor.com/competition-electronics-prochrono-dlx-with-bluetooth.html?promotion=competition-electronics-chronographs-27-2020-04-07

Mark 611 · « **Reply #50 on:** April 08, 2020, 08:20:53 AM »

John, if ur rifle is still shooting accurate? and nothing sounds a miss? I would not worry about a once dry fired gun! I have had it happen several times on the same side lever gun and others with no Ill effects! Just try to make sure the pellet is in the hole before u close it!!! I know well all get caught up in the moment when shooting and sometimes we think were on our game! spit happens! don't worry be happy!!!!

dtdtdtdt · « **Reply #51 on:** April 08, 2020, 10:05:44 AM »

John: "Gun"

I know the difference between a rifle and a gun for military types but I have fun with the rifle too.

Hector: where did you get that cheekpiece? I find the ZR mount a bit high even with the cheekpiece that I installed. I am contemplating adding high density foam covered with soft goatskin over the existing one. My wife has some in her sewing room. She found a junk store with tanned goatskins $2 and being a good hoarder bought all they had! I have access to about 20 skins she will share!

My 54s both have lighter trigger springs that Hector provided that put trigger pulls around 12oz - similar to the FWB trigger pull. I need to spend more time on the trigger as they still seem a bit wobbly at times. Need to dig up the trigger adjustment instructions for the T06!

Cheers!

Rick67 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 08, 2020, 11:30:19 AM »

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These are also nice and non-marring:

https://godagrip.com/cheek-pads-2/

I use them myself, the God a Grip.

fwbsport · « **Reply #53 on:** April 09, 2020, 12:49:46 PM »

What did I shoot today? Just the .20 H.S. at 25 yards. No it is still on target! Just as "fast" as it was and there even seems to be some "settling in" that has "accurized" it. A little change where there are less misses.

The ZR mounts are high on any rifle I have like the HW80s and the HW98 .20. It means finding the cheek piece with something and mine does have a foam packing piece atop to "push up" the comb.

HectorMedina · « **Reply #54 on:** April 09, 2020, 01:06:16 PM »

Quote from: dtdtdtdt on April 08, 2020, 10:05:44 AM

John: "Gun" I know the difference between a rifle and a gun for military types but I have fun with the rifle too.

Hector: where did you get that cheekpiece? I find the ZR mount a bit high even with the cheekpiece that I installed. I am contemplating adding high density foam covered with soft goatskin over the existing one. My wife has some in her sewing room. She found a junk store with tanned goatskins $2 and being a good hoarder bought all they had! I have access to about 20 skins she will share!

My 54s both have lighter trigger springs that Hector provided that put trigger pulls around 12oz - similar to the FWB trigger pull. I need to spend more time on the trigger as they still seem a bit wobbly at times. Need to dig up the trigger adjustment instructions for the T06!

Cheers!

Dave

I buy them by the dozen, LOL!

Good leather, hand made. NO two exactly alike, but all very well made. They are making them for me also in left hand. I use them a LOT. Not all my builds but almost 80%. They smell nice also, as it is an oil-cured leather (for weather proof purposes). Tanins cured leather smell like "tobacco" and that is what I used for my prototype.

Drop me a line if you want one, I am currently out of stock, but will order a dozen in the next few days. I can add one for you.

If you want to use the goatskins you have, then drop me a line, there is a technique to getting a custom fit one:

Keep well and shoot straight!

HM

Rick67 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 09, 2020, 01:27:55 PM »

A goat skin cheek piece with horns would look radical, Mr. Medina

HectorMedina · « **Reply #56 on:** April 10, 2020, 01:14:19 PM »

Quote from: Rick67 on April 09, 2020, 01:27:55 PM

A goat skin cheek piece with horns would look radical, Mr. Medina

Hmmmmm, perhaps, but some in the WFTF leadership might think that the horns offer "added support" and would ban it, ROFL!

;-)

Thanks for the laugh I needed it.

Keep well and shoot straight!

HM

dtdtdtdt · « **Reply #57 on:** April 11, 2020, 10:10:56 AM »

Hector:

Drop me a line if you want one, I am currently out of stock, but will order a dozen in the next few days. I can add one for you.

Get me two since both my 54s have the same stock, mounts, scope size configuration.

Right-handed please. I actually am left-handed but must shoot everything right-handed as I am now fully blind in my left eye. (Back when I could see, I shot both ways and kept score for which was better. (Left was - particularly with shotgun...except for safety manipulation while hunting.)

Regarding the goatskin one, I am not adept enough to make "good" ones. I would butcher it up.

Actually HOOVES would be a good add to the bottom for a solid rear rest?

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fwbsport · « **Reply #58 on:** April 11, 2020, 01:08:50 PM »

Ha ha! Dave, there's truth to this!
When that leather touches my face I know I am now entering the PROFESSIONAL status!

HectorMedina · « **Reply #59 on:** April 12, 2020, 03:37:43 PM »

My friends, I don't want to be a "party popper", but after hooves and horns, I think we'd better stop. ROFL!

Keep well and shoot straight!

HM

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