The “ other 880 “ Winchester 1977xs

[Ronno6]

My typing gets worser the older I get................ yeah, 880 and stiffer and for rather than "fir".....(but, as I AM in the South, "fir" is correct locally!)

[limbshaker]

So if a fella were to order a new 880, and a new 77XS, could he swap the 880 stock onto the 77?

Let's say this fella hated the look of the black thumbhole stock.. 

[Ronno6]

So if a fella were to order a new 880, and a new 77XS, could he swap the 880 stock onto the 77?

Let's say this fella hated the look of the black thumbhole stock.. 

What would be the point?
The 77XS, for all intents and purposes, IS an 880 with a different stock (and Winchester's name on it.)
At the end of the day, all you would have is a Winchester 77XS branded gun with an 880 stock.
Really no difference in the mechanism.

The 1977 XS is a bit of a different animal internally.......and, yes, I believe you could swap the Daisy 880 stock and forearms onto it.

[limbshaker]

So if a fella were to order a new 880, and a new 77XS, could he swap the 880 stock onto the 77?

Let's say this fella hated the look of the black thumbhole stock.. 

What would be the point?
The 77XS, for all intents and purposes, IS an 880 with a different stock (and Winchester's name on it.)
At the end of the day, all you would have is a Winchester 77XS branded gun with an 880 stock.
Really no difference in the mechanism.

The 1977 XS is a bit of a different animal internally.......and, yes, I believe you could swap the Daisy 880 stock and forearms onto it.

The 1977 XS is the one I was referring to, if that's the model that's supposed to be a little different/hotter than the 880. The one without the elastomer spring in the pump. 

The point would be because I think the thumbhole stock looks terrible and I prefer non-thumbhole stocks. And for the $35 price of an 880 it would be worth it for the stock set and a few spare parts to play with.

[Ronno6]

I understand the desire to change the stock on the 1977XS.
That would make sense.

the 77XS....not so much...

[Garandsx5]

I was ready to not like the thumbhole stock, but it is really quite comfortable. I usually add a tube of silicone caulk to my 880 butt stocks. Might try swapping one to a 1977 xs. I wouldn’t bother with the hand guards. They feel better than the 880s in my opinion.

I think the conversion that would be interesting to pursue would be to swap the barrel from a 22X or 22SG into the 1977xs. See how the 22 pellets respond to more power.

[a1rgunz]

I think the conversion that would be interesting to pursue would be to swap the barrel from a 22X or 22SG into the 1977xs. See how the 22 pellets respond to more power.

I couldn't agree more. I tried the 14.97 grain H&N Sniper Magnums in .177 and they were still cooking at 628 fps. A proper .22 conversion should get pretty good numbers!

[Ronno6]

I think the conversion that would be interesting to pursue would be to swap the barrel from a 22X or 22SG into the 1977xs. See how the 22 pellets respond to more power.

Wouldn't ya also need the .22 breech,valve body/bolt ??
The .22 bolt would require modification to the receiver halves.. no ??
I think the ticket is to swap the 1977 pump head into an 822 or 22xx

[tminit]

[/quote]

Congratulations! My two 1977s are both dated 0519, so yours is a whole year younger. Great way to commemorate the year of Coronavirus.

The removable flat spring is pushed lower when the bolt is slid forward, allowing the trigger to be pulled. This keeps the company lawyers happy because it prevents an eyeful of pressurized air if you try shooting with the bolt open. Well, I always wear eye pro and closing the bolt is automatic after loading a pellet, so I remove the flat spring. With it gone, trigger will be several pounds lighter.

Get some narrow pointed tweezers for loading pellets. .177s are too fiddly for most everybody’s fingers. Harbor Freight has multi-pack for a few bucks with different tip profiles.
Enjoy! [/quote]

I will call it the Corona gun.  Interesting it was made during the shutdown.
I haven't shot pellets for years. That trigger is so heavy it makes the tip of my trigger finger hurt.
It took me 20 shots to even figure out it has a 2 stage trigger.
When you remove the flat spring, does it improve both stages? Has anyone measured the lbs to pull before and after removing the flat spring?
I don't feel any side play in the trigger, as others have commented about the 880?

I wont need the tweezers for a while. It took about 50 shots to get into a good rhythm.

I threw together a quick pellet stop. The neighbor came over thinking he heard me using a nail gun and asked what I was building.
Told him I was just having fun with my new nail driver. lol He left writing down the Academy website.

My biggest complaint is I like iron sights but the rear sight is so far forward, I an hardly see it in the sight picture. I wear bi-focal glasses which compounds it.
In lieu of a scope, are the inexpensive options for better iron sights? Are any compatible with Geo's LDC?

[Ronno6]

Hi, Mr. Nathan...

The 1977XS trigger is the 880 trigger.... single stage.
Dunno the pull but the theory is that it is stiffer due ti the higher valve pressure required for the higher velocity.

I have not seen any pull force numbers given, but removal of the flat spring will help.

As for sights, you may consider the Daisy diopter rear target sight. it will mount to the dovetail on the receiver.
As for Geo's LDC's, tell him what you want,and he can do it for ya!

[Lenman73]

Well since this covid &^^& started my work has been busier than it ever was.  This week I am on vacation and finally got to do some shooting today after a couple month break. Did pretty good despite the sweat dripping into my eyes.  I picked a great day with 90 degrees to come out of hibernation.

[35 shooter]

Well since this covid &^^& started my work has been busier than it ever was.  This week I am on vacation and finally got to do some shooting today after a couple month break. Did pretty good despite the sweat dripping into my eyes.  I picked a great day with 90 degrees to come out of hibernation.

Good to hear your getting some shooting time in.

[tminit]

Hi, Mr. Nathan...

The 1977XS trigger is the 880 trigger.... single stage.
Dunno the pull but the theory is that it is stiffer due ti the higher valve pressure required for the higher velocity.

I have not seen any pull force numbers given, but removal of the flat spring will help.

As for sights, you may consider the Daisy diopter rear target sight. it will mount to the dovetail on the receiver.
As for Geo's LDC's, tell him what you want,and he can do it for ya!

There is a definite point in this trigger pull where you hear a click and the tension lessons slightly.
You can hold that point and the next exertion of a pull on the trigger will fire the rifle.
I have duplicated it over and over. It is subtle, but does exist.
If you just pull through the trigger, which is easy to do because of how heavy it is, you don't even feel it.
If not a 2nd stage, what is the click?

At first, I though maybe the trigger machined surfaces were just rough.
I'v shot about 250 pellets. The trigger is smoothing out but the 2nd stage is still there.
So far, it has just reinforced good trigger control.

[tminit]

Hi, Mr. Nathan...

The 1977XS trigger is the 880 trigger.... single stage.
Dunno the pull but the theory is that it is stiffer due ti the higher valve pressure required for the higher velocity.

I have not seen any pull force numbers given, but removal of the flat spring will help.

As for sights, you may consider the Daisy diopter rear target sight. it will mount to the dovetail on the receiver.
As for Geo's LDC's, tell him what you want,and he can do it for ya!

There is a definite point in this trigger pull where you hear a click and the tension lessons slightly.
You can hold that point and the next exertion of a pull on the trigger will fire the rifle.
I have duplicated it over and over. It is subtle, but does exist.
If you just pull through the trigger, which is easy to do because of how heavy it is, you don't even feel it.
If not a 2nd stage, what is the click?

At first, I though maybe the trigger machined surfaces were just rough.
I'v shot about 250 pellets. The trigger is smoothing out but the 2nd stage is still there.
So far, it has just reinforced good trigger control.

Grant me my nube status,
 I did watch some tube vids on the trigger and understand how this cannot be a true "2 stage" trigger. Guess the only way I am going to know is break this thing open and see what's up.

I continue to be impressed with this rifle.

[35 shooter]

Nathan,

If you’ve never removed the pins from the trigger assembly on a 880 or 1977 be aware there are 2 pins holding it in place.
The silver pin holds the sear and can be driven out from either side.
The brass pin is knurled and can only be driven out from the knurled side.
In other words drive it out from the smooth side as the knurled side won’t drive all the way through.
Pay attention to which side is knurled, because it has to go back in the same way.
Lol, the trigger assembly on these leaves me wishing I had 3 hands sometimes.

You probably knew all that, but this is just in case you did’nt.
I love the simplicity of the 880/77 design. Once you break them down a time or two, you can almost do it blindfolded.
I love my Benji 39x guns too, but much prefer the all screw design of the 880 to driving out the roll pins on the 39x guns on the pump assembly.

[35 shooter]

Well, it’s official.... this 1977xs will open the hunting season with me next month.
Been doing a lot of offhand shooting lately with all my airguns and this thumbhole stock seems to work very well for me for that type shooting.
I’m doing well with it standing offhand, but standing leaning my shoulder against a wall, tree, etc, is “almost” as accurate as from the bench.
Just have to time that trigger break with the lag time i’m On target.... easier said than done for me.
I can actually do as well with my 880’s or 397, but it just seems easier with the Winnie... gotta be the stock as they’re all equally as accurate.
Guess I just have a new found respect for thumbhole stocks now... still don’t like the looks of them though, but it’s growing on me.
Dang i’ll be glad when daisy puts out a complete parts list for these rifles!!

[Ronno6]

Dang i’ll be glad when daisy puts out a complete parts list for these rifles!!

A parts list will be good.
PARTS will be even BETTER !!!

[Garandsx5]

Dang i’ll be glad when daisy puts out a complete parts list for these rifles!!

A parts list will be good.
PARTS will be even BETTER !!!

Amen!

[Ronno6]

i did a little investigating today.
The 1977XS pump link/piston assembly is longer than that of the 880.
The pump link is the same length, but the pivot hole is closer to the end, effectively making it longer.
Current 880 linkage can be redrilled.
I believe the pump head assembly is longer,too.
2 O-rings and longer spring........
The connecting link between the pump handle and pump link is shaped differently from that of the 880.
i didn't open up the receiver........
I took some measurements of the coil spring which replaces that pos elastomer spring.
Gotta find a source for those.....
Pump head can be turned from scratch, but I have to make my own O-ring gland tool.
Will definitely need to be a scratch part to retro into the old 880's with that convex face lip.
Gotta get into the pump tube and valve soon.

[Thatvan]

Ron do you have any pictures of the internals? I'm getting parts together to try my hand at making a long stroke 880. Rather not try and reinvent the wheel if there are good design concepts I could incorporate. Also the measurements for the spring?

Ian