350 Feuerkraft Pro stock.

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My 350 Pro has stock issues. When cocking is taking place, the side of the receiver will rub against the stock. I thought the rifle inletting was off causing the action to be set crooked in the wood, thereby causing it to rub as it's being cocked. I've tried relieving the wood area where it's making contact but it doesn't help. In fact, the action seems to move even closer to the wood. I've sanded down quite a bit of wood trying to gain enough space in order for the action to clear but it's not working. I'm afraid to remove any more because it will become too thin and break. I inquired about a replacement stock and was informed by UMAREXUSA the M350 Feuerkraft smooth stock was priced at $130.48 plus $14.95 shipping.That's pretty expensive for me. Does anyone have an idea what I can do about this problem? This rifle shoots hard and accurately...I hate to think I'll lose it when the stock breaks..as it surely will in the future. Any and all ideas and thoughts on this will certainly be appreciated.
   Thanks
   Larry

[DMikeM]

Ask Mike Melick at Best Airguns if a B28 stock will fit on it. I know it's not as refined as an RWS stock but they can be refinished to look better than you would imagine. Look at my RAM post in the Chinese gun gate for an example.

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Ask Mike Melick at Best Airguns if a B28 stock will fit on it. I know it's not as refined as an RWS stock but they can be refinished to look better than you would imagine. Look at my RAM post in the Chinese gun gate for an example.

  DMike...I admired that stock of yours yesterday when I first saw it. I'm assuming it's a  beech wood? Did you come across any filler they might have used in the wood?  I think that's a good idea to touch base with Mike Melick concerning a stock for the 350. Thanks for the advice.
  Larry

[DMikeM]

There was one small spot that had filler in one but I was able to sand down far enough to feather it out. I think they are beech wood but they sure stain up nice using darker stains. I also have some knots in them that really help to bring up the character of the wood. I prefer a stock that is not clear but has lots of swirls and knots in the wood. They just look nice when finished.

Mike should be able to tell you if it will fit or what would need to be done to make it fit. If you plan to refinish it just find the strongest varnish/epoxy remover you can get your hands on. The stuff they use on the stock is wicked hard and durable so it takes some effort to remove it.

[Mark 611]

Why dont you try to epoxy bed the action! chances are it will fix your problem.

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Why dont you try to epoxy bed the action! chances are it will fix your problem.

 
 Mark....There's no way to bed the action and I'm not sure that would help the problem. By that I mean, the action is snug in its groove. When cocking, the rifle action will rub against the stock. It's the area at the pivot bolt where the rifle breaks for loading that's making contact with the wood. It's the side of the chamber block making contact. There's no "play"  (looseness ) at all...side to side or up and down. It's like the inletting was made in the stock at an angle and not on a straight axis. Let me try to explain another way: Looking from the top down, the rear of the  action would be off to the right while the muzzle would be off to the left. You can't actually SEE that the action is set in the stock crookedly, but that's what it appears to be. I don't know the words to explain what I mean..it's like the letter "X" with one bar of that letter being the stock and the other being the rifle action. That's a gross exaggeration but I don't know how else to try to explain it. I reckon by now, I have you pretty well confused. Whew!
  There's no way I can post a photo of the problem.   It's possible the stock itself is warped which is why I contacted RWS about a replacement stock. As you may see in my original post, THEIR price is pretty blinkin' expensive. I guess all I can do is keep shooting mine and try to find a replacement if/or when it breaks.

[Mark 611]

I know what you mean, I thought you were having some side to side wiggle in the stock that was causing it to rub? so if not you'll need to find a stock if its milled off center, that's all I know to tell ya on this sorry your having this bad luck with your rifle I know how you feel I have a few that rub a little in the same place.

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I know what you mean, I thought you were having some side to side wiggle in the stock that was causing it to rub? so if not you'll need to find a stock if its milled off center, that's all I know to tell ya on this sorry your having this bad luck with your rifle I know how you feel I have a few that rub a little in the same place.

    "Milled off center"!  Thanks, Mark.... those are the exact words I was tryin' to say but couldn't find em! Right now, I think I'll just shoot her and let the action rub on the stock. Maybe it'll wear a groove in that area and make it's own clearance. When and if it breaks, I'll start lookin' for a replacement. Thanks for your input.
  Larry

[Mark 611]

your welcome!

[AirTrigr]

I too have a 350 Fuerkraft Pro, but mine is also a Compact model.  A suggestion of something to check... I've encountered a similar issue previously myself when re-assembling the action back into the stock.  There are two small black plastic washers (spacers) that are supposed to be installed between the stock and the threaded part of the action that the two forearm screws screw into.  These washers space out the sides of the stock forearm so it does not rub on the barrel breech block during cocking of the rifle.  I own a few different RWS rifles, and they each have these washer spacers installed between the stock and the threaded metal portion of the rifle.  Maybe the GTA library has a reference of these washers or a exploded parts diagram that shows these two washers.  I've tried replacing the forearm stock screws without the washer spacers before, and the barrel breech block rubs the inside of the stock without them installed.
Good Luck!
AT

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I too have a 350 Fuerkraft Pro, but mine is also a Compact model.  A suggestion of something to check... I've encountered a similar issue previously myself when re-assembling the action back into the stock.  There are two small black plastic washers (spacers) that are supposed to be installed between the stock and the threaded part of the action that the two forearm screws screw into.  These washers space out the sides of the stock forearm so it does not rub on the barrel breech block during cocking of the rifle.  I own a few different RWS rifles, and they each have these washer spacers installed between the stock and the threaded metal portion of the rifle.  Maybe the GTA library has a reference of these washers or a exploded parts diagram that shows these two washers.  I've tried replacing the forearm stock screws without the washer spacers before, and the barrel breech block rubs the inside of the stock without them installed.
Good Luck!
AT

AT...I didn't notice those washers in my 350. I'll check 'em out as soon as I get home. That could very well solve my problem. Thanks for the idea!
  Larry


   

[Jringe1109]

AirTrigr is right i had a 350 pro compact too and there were indeed two small black washers. easy fix is to pick up a few 1/4" washers from a hardware store and whalah! the wood residue on the breech block magically disappears. the rubbing usually happens on the opposite side of the breech of your cocking arm ie: leaft hand cocking wood on right of breech. you really only need to space the side opposite your cocking hand.
jus some more info.
-Jeremy

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AirTrigr is right i had a 350 pro compact too and there were indeed two small black washers. easy fix is to pick up a few 1/4" washers from a hardware store and whalah! the wood residue on the breech block magically disappears. the rubbing usually happens on the opposite side of the breech of your cocking arm ie: leaft hand cocking wood on right of breech. you really only need to space the side opposite your cocking hand.
jus some more info.
-Jeremy

 

Thanks, Jeremy...I use my right hand on the barrel to cock the rifle and the breech block is making contact on the left hand side. Just placing that spacer on only the left side should elimanate the problem, then. Spacing both sides won't help? I just want to be sure I understand you correctly.

[Jringe1109]

you can space both sides but theres no need to. spacing one side is much easier, getting the washers to stay put is a tricky task. use some high viscosity tar or lubricant to hold the washer in place as you slide the stock over the gun. then use a small screw driver or similar to line washer up otherwise you'll never get the screw threaded.
-jeremy

[gene_sc]

Why are we having such issues with these expensive Air Rifles? Pricing for the Diana RWS 350 Feuerkraft is around $300.00. And why does Umerex not just replace these stocks out for being defective?

These are the kind of quality issues that I would find on cheaper Gamo and Crosman air guns. Of course the Crosman springers and nitro pistons are made in China.

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Why are we having such issues with these expensive Air Rifles? Pricing for the Diana RWS 350 Feuerkraft is around $300.00. And why does Umerex not just replace these stocks out for being defective?

These are the kind of quality issues that I would find on cheaper Gamo and Crosman air guns. Of course the Crosman springers and nitro pistons are made in China.

 Gene...I wrote Umarex asking about the stock. Their answer was an email telling me the price of a new stock. The cost of a new ( I quote, here..) "The M360 Feuerkraft Smooth Stock is $130.48 plus $14.95 shipping" (unquote). That's why I brought my stock troubles here to the Forum, hoping someone had a solution. I don't like the idea of having to put another $145.43 into a rifle in which I have already invested $399.00......(not counting an excellent full tune by Shadow..)
  I was beginning to think I was going to have to use it "as is" until the stock broke... THEN purchase the new wood.
  Larry

[gene_sc]

I was just trying to point out how expensive the RWS 350's are and what you could possibly end up with. I know the cost of the new stocks are high from Umerex. I bought one a couple years ago for a project and price was the same as you paid.

It really torques my jaws that they ask so much money for a product that seems to me is getting further and further away from good quality control. I wold venture to say that the stocks are made in China and not in Germany. But they would never admit it..

Why are we having such issues with these expensive Air Rifles? Pricing for the Diana RWS 350 Feuerkraft is around $300.00. And why does Umerex not just replace these stocks out for being defective?

These are the kind of quality issues that I would find on cheaper Gamo and Crosman air guns. Of course the Crosman springers and nitro pistons are made in China.

 Gene...I wrote Umarex asking about the stock. Their answer was an email telling me the price of a new stock. The cost of a new ( I quote, here..) "The M360 Feuerkraft Smooth Stock is $130.48 plus $14.95 shipping" (unquote). That's why I brought my stock troubles here to the Forum, hoping someone had a solution. I don't like the idea of having to put another $145.43 into a rifle in which I have already invested $399.00......(not counting an excellent full tune by Shadow..)
  I was beginning to think I was going to have to use it "as is" until the stock broke... THEN purchase the new wood.
  Larry

[Jringe1109]

its absolute BULL uknowhat! its obviously a common problem thats why my gun came with the washers already installed and fell out when i tuned the gun. i paid 429$ for my 350 pro compact. for that kind of money ill never buy an "umarex" rws gun again. i'd have to agree about the stocks being imported, maybe not chinese but possibly turkish...
i have a 34 that i got lucky with and its a gem, but from now on any springer i buy will be a beeman...
-jeremy