What happened to the benjamin pumpers?

[35 shooter]

The only place on their site that I saw the synthetic stock version listed was their “on site” 2019 catalogue.

I think the redeeming features of the synthetic version is weather resistance, just like the all brass construction of the gun itself.
Kind of makes a perfect survival type gun for those so oriented.
It’s been said the longer pump arm makes pumping a bit easier, which is a plus.

I actually like the looks of it and would love to have one, but I already have a wood stocked 397 and 392.
Having said that, I don’t want the wood stock to go away and would love to see them bring back the walnut instead of beech!
I have a walnut stocked 397 and a beech stock in a 392.... much prefer the walnut.

I suppose the next generation of 39x owners will like and get used to synthetic stocks, but I prefer to have a choice as to which I buy.
As much as I love the 39x guns, i’ll Probably wind up with at least one in synthetic just out of curiosity, but don’t want to be forced into it because thete’s No other choice!

If crosman sticks to this, someone will probably start making wood stocks for 39x guns as a business?

[Hoosier Daddy]

They must be super slow to update their website.  The website only shows the wood stock - and in the description for stock material it specifically says wood.  and they don't list the S suffix on either model - nor do they show a plastic stocked benjamin pumper on the website at all. 

I'm still holding out hope that there is some redeeming feature of the new iteration.

Odd, I went to Crosmans wesite and simply typed "392S" in the search field and it brought it right up. 

https://www.crosman.com/benjamin-variable-pump-rifle

[Flint]

Odd, I went to Crosmans wesite and simply typed "392S" in the search field and it brought it right up. 

https://www.crosman.com/benjamin-variable-pump-rifle

that is weird.  I can see it in your link.  I see where they advertise 800 fps will alloy pellets.  I'd like to see where someone has demonstrated that alloy pellets are safe in Brass barrels.  I've never shot a lead free pellet myself - does each pellet tin list what the composition of the alloy is that they are made of?  Definitely wouldn't want to shoot a mystery metal out of my brass barreled gun. 

[bantam5s]

These are an extremely ugly abomination that just plain should not exist.
I already know they will result in the stop to the wood stocks just as the 1000x led to the ugly stocks the 2100 now come with.

There are people who want a classic wood stocked rifle without having to look on the secondary market or deal with everything else that comes with buying a used and or vintage gun.

I never much liked the looks of the recent 39x guns , but they were miles ahead of this in looks.

[dan_house]

"Of course this may be subject to change because of public outcry"

Outcry from whom? Forum members? Wont happen. While many AG manufactorers do watch what the forums are doing, the fact remains that forum members make up such a tiiiiiiinnnnnnnnyyyyyy portion of sales they dont care. Unless every mmember of GTA was committing to buying US$5000 worth of <insert product name>, on a regular basis, then your not going to affect any change. REally think the Walmart/Bass Pro customers give a rodent's posterier about wood versus synthetic?

The plastic is here to stay.

"someone will probably start making wood stocks for 39x guns as a business?"

Maybe. but the reality is would you spend 200 or more on a semi custom stock--JUST the stock-- bringin the total cost of a new gun over 300?   Lot better guns out there for 300......   OTOH if DaveG started making 392 stocks in his style, Id sell a kidney......


We forum members ahve to remember that we are VERY SMALL percentage of total sales for any vendor. ALL vendors will market to customers thats pay their bills....

[triggerfest]

That all might be true, but...

I think where Crosman missed the boat, is basically when modernizing a platform like the 39x, to really do a full upgrade.

Make the receiver with a decent scope rail, use true blueing instead of the sprayed paint. Then, when selling it with a synthetic stock, people will buy it. Now... It is a classic platform, but with a synthetic stock. That does not resonate to me honestly. Now it is more like insulting the legacy Sheridan line !

[bantam5s]

"Of course this may be subject to change because of public outcry"

Outcry from whom? Forum members? Wont happen. While many AG manufactorers do watch what the forums are doing, the fact remains that forum members make up such a tiiiiiiinnnnnnnnyyyyyy portion of sales they dont care. Unless every mmember of GTA was committing to buying US$5000 worth of <insert product name>, on a regular basis, then your not going to affect any change. REally think the Walmart/Bass Pro customers give a rodent's posterier about wood versus synthetic?

The plastic is here to stay.

"someone will probably start making wood stocks for 39x guns as a business?"

Maybe. but the reality is would you spend 200 or more on a semi custom stock--JUST the stock-- bringin the total cost of a new gun over 300?   Lot better guns out there for 300......   OTOH if DaveG started making 392 stocks in his style, Id sell a kidney......


We forum members ahve to remember that we are VERY SMALL percentage of total sales for any vendor. ALL vendors will market to customers thats pay their bills....

Forum opinions do make a difference if the manufacturer actually cares and truly does pay attention.
I frequent the Buck knives forums over on Blade forums, a few employees frequent as well and that's one company who listens.
Of course they're a family owned business who cares and not a bunch of corporate sellouts.


For me it's not really the synthetic that I hate as much as it is the shape, if they had done something like a classic Allweather montecarlo stock I wouldn't be complaining too much.

[dan_house]

"really do a full upgrade."

Now IMO, this is where the bean counters get invollved. IVe not doubt the wooden stock issues theyve reported are true, and going synthetic solves thatf issues. But a redo of the gun itself, from the ground up is gonna be expensive. designs have to be drawn, tooling changed, the asembly lines and crews revamped and retrained. More to rolling out a new model or even a revamped one than just changing the hardware.

Agreed they missed the boat, but  the majority of their customers dont know that

[triggerfest]

"A redo of the gun itself"

If you have a closer look at the details of the new 39x platforms, you can find some changes anyway. Like the front end cap (bold vs flat now), also "golden branding" at the side... And on their website there is no more "Built in the USA" mentioned anymore...... So redo: why not ? Is it made in China now ? Maybe owners can confirm ?

[Robert 5mm]

I own a new 397s and have opened up to do a slight valve job.
I also own a two year old 392 wood and have done the same valve mod.

They are exactly the same exterior except for stock.
The front end cap and golden branding are the same on both.
The valve on both have the delrin - not brass exhaust check stem.

Crosman changed the 39x wood at least two years ago, the new 39xS is not been a redo.

[Piranhaboy]

I’d like to see the 392 and 7 dropped completely. I bought 4 397s from cabelas last winter and they all went back because they shot like shotguns even after cleaning the paint out of the barrel. Crosman should release something along the lines of a mk177 tube with a slightly beefed up pump mechanism, steel breach, 24inch barrel, pistol grip and 1399 stock. Or heck even put it in the 390 stock. Sell it with open sights and that’s something I would buy. Crosman should focus on exploiting the LEGO gun system they have made

[Back_Roads]

 FX supersized the Lego guns 

[bantam5s]

I’d like to see the 392 and 7 dropped completely. I bought 4 397s from cabelas last winter and they all went back because they shot like shotguns even after cleaning the paint out of the barrel. Crosman should release something along the lines of a mk177 tube with a slightly beefed up pump mechanism, steel breach, 24inch barrel, pistol grip and 1399 stock. Or heck even put it in the 390 stock. Sell it with open sights and that’s something I would buy. Crosman should focus on exploiting the LEGO gun system they have made

In my opinion this is what they should do with the Lego guns.

[JoeShmoe]

All you have to do is look at pyramyd air and see the top selling rifles for 2019. Either they're lying to us, or most people are buying firearm replicas to plink with. Classic rifles are a small section of sales.

[bantam5s]

All you have to do is look at pyramyd air and see the top selling rifles for 2019. Either they're lying to us, or most people are buying firearm replicas to plink with. Classic rifles are a small section of sales.

Or it's just what they focus on selling more of.
I constantly get adds for them about the CO2 replica guns, never a single add for pumpers.

Why would they wanna just let the pumpers not sell when they could promote  and really well them ?
I would guess that the co2 replicas need more promoting since so many people get into AG's to deal with pest problems.