Zbroia Sapsan

[ranchibi]

Joe Brancatto @ AirTanksForSale got a shipment of these .22 cal in Friday. They are up front side lever (Edgun style). Cost is about a grand. He is getting .25 calibers in soon. Very nice, light, over 30ft/lb guns in .22. Comes with suppressor. I believe these are all in house made, barrels too, very similar to CZ barrels.

[anti-squirrel]

Slick looking PCPs.  Like a hybrid of the Capybara and an Impact or Priest.  Indifferent to the Impact, find the Priest alright, and love the Capybara, so it works for me.

I've seen a few videos of the Zbroia guns and what they can do; really digging the looks here.  ~ $1k, huh?

[Nomadic Pirate]

I like the looks, .......but why the half shroud ?

[ranchibi]

Slick looking PCPs.  Like a hybrid of the Capybara and an Impact or Priest.  Indifferent to the Impact, find the Priest alright, and love the Capybara, so it works for me.

I've seen a few videos of the Zbroia guns and what they can do; really digging the looks here.  ~ $1k, huh?

The price was something Joe really tried to get Zbroia to stay under a grand. Mags are like Hatsan, simple and sturdy.

[ranchibi]

I like the looks, .......but why the half shroud ?

Manny, no shroud just a moderator that is ok....DonnyFL or other would be needed for quiet shooting.

[Xraycer]

I'm a big fan of bullpups, and this semi-bullpup is right up my alley. Looking forward to see reviews on this gun.

Is that a Huben under the Sapsan's air tank?

What is that gun above the Bulldog?

[skorec]

Veeeeery nice design fully adjustable  and scope rail assembly fixed the barrel at middle.
 
Just we have to wait for :
1.   diagram
2.    disassembling video
3.   100m accuracy for .177 slugs

I hope that they also develop hammer les or balanced valve version at 2020

[ranchibi]

I'm a big fan of bullpups, and this semi-bullpup is right up my alley. Looking forward to see reviews on this gun.

Is that a Huben under the Sapsan's air tank?

What is that gun above the Bulldog?

Dinh, it is a full bullpup as the action is all the way rearward like an Edgun! Yes Huben under tank and an FX Tactical above BD.

[JungleShooter]

I'm a big fan of bullpups, and this semi-bullpup is right up my alley.

Dinh, it is a full bullpup as the action is all the way rearward like an Edgun!

Yeah, it looks good, and it's a full bullpup, but why is it sooo looong... — 33.5" (85cm)?! 😟 The barrel length is pretty standard, so no gain there....

[Nomadic Pirate]

I like the looks, .......but why the half shroud ?

Manny, no shroud just a moderator that is ok....DonnyFL or other would be needed for quiet shooting.

Wander what's the reasoning not to go with a shroud, looks half baked like that

[oldpro]

I like the looks, .......but why the half shroud ?

Manny, no shroud just a moderator that is ok....DonnyFL or other would be needed for quiet shooting.

Wander what's the reasoning not to go with a shroud, looks half baked like that

I agree Manny and a full shroud with baffled could potentially make it 2-3” shorter plus look more finished. I’m really into compact air guns so I’ll order one to review it.

[anti-squirrel]

Simple answer to several questions: a basic moderator is likely much cheaper than a full-length baffled shroud in material costs lone.


I don't know of any full-shroud bullpups that are truly quiet under $1k.

[Xraycer]

Simple answer to several questions: a basic moderator is likely much cheaper than a full-length baffled shroud in material costs lone.


I don't know of any full-shroud bullpups that are truly quiet under $1k.

I've just recently added a sub $50 delrin, carbon fiber shroud extension(from eBay) to my $500 .25 Bullboss, and now I mainly just hear the action and the downrange impact.

[ranchibi]

I'm a big fan of bullpups, and this semi-bullpup is right up my alley.

Dinh, it is a full bullpup as the action is all the way rearward like an Edgun!

Yeah, it looks good, and it's a full bullpup, but why is it sooo looong... — 33.5" (85cm)?! 😟 The barrel length is pretty standard, so no gain there....

I think it’s longer because they wanted more shots so a longer reservoir. The Kozak comes in different barrel lengths and the longer the barrel the bigger the reservoir it comes with. Longer barrel bigger air tank more shots more power is their thinking.

[ranchibi]

I like the looks, .......but why the half shroud ?

Manny, no shroud just a moderator that is ok....DonnyFL or other would be needed for quiet shooting.

Wander what's the reasoning not to go with a shroud, looks half baked like that

Manny, I too wondered why no shroud..as Travis said they could have made it quieter and shorter with a baffled shroud and shorter LDC.

[ranchibi]

Simple answer to several questions: a basic moderator is likely much cheaper than a full-length baffled shroud in material costs lone.


I don't know of any full-shroud bullpups that are truly quiet under $1k.

Peter, you are spot on for the reasoning for no shroud/baffles...cost! They are trying to keep their line up more affordable. This new ones platform was modified so R&D costs money. Their whole Kozak lineup is under a grand.

[anti-squirrel]

Simple answer to several questions: a basic moderator is likely much cheaper than a full-length baffled shroud in material costs lone.


I don't know of any full-shroud bullpups that are truly quiet under $1k.

I've just recently added a sub $50 delrin, carbon fiber shroud extension(from eBay) to my $500 .25 Bullboss, and now I mainly just hear the action and the downrange impact.

IN STOCK CONFIGURATION

I hear what you're saying Dinh; we can reach out to any of a bunch of people or do a home-baked remedy for noise, but out of the box from the manufacturer, none of the under-a-grand bullpups are truly quiet. 



EDIT:  Actually, I think JKHan had a quiet BP for under $1k.  A lot depends on power level of course, but let's assume .22 and close to MRod quiet- nope, nothing under a grand in stock form.

[oldpro]

Simple answer to several questions: a basic moderator is likely much cheaper than a full-length baffled shroud in material costs lone.


I don't know of any full-shroud bullpups that are truly quiet under $1k.

 I agree cheaper to just put on a LDC

[anti-squirrel]

Simple answer to several questions: a basic moderator is likely much cheaper than a full-length baffled shroud in material costs lone.


I don't know of any full-shroud bullpups that are truly quiet under $1k.

 I agree cheaper to just put on a LDC

Looking at some of the EdGun and Ataman BPs configurations in "naked" form sans shroud... the air tube or bottle sticks wayyyyy out so the shroud "makes up" the difference.

If cost is kept down, I'm okay with that.  Lots of folks like using their own LDC or improving on the existing (like Dinh mentioned).

[jarmstrong]

  I think she looks just fine
https://www.airgunforum.co.uk/community/index.php?threads/sapsan-photograph.280008/