FWB 124

[Dennis22]

I don't know how to edit but those are with windage and elevation adjustments between each target, the bottom right is where I left it

Dennis

[Buldawg76]

I believe you got it zeroed in as far as the gun and scope is concerned now its time to work on the shooters control and consistency.

BD

[Chouchin66]

Nice shootin with your 124 Dennis ! Well done!

[Motorhead]

Too heavy a cheek weld and holding the grip too tightly will always send shots sideways from a good zero point.
DON'T plant your face on the comb !!  Exert shoulder pressure off the Fore end holding hand & keep grip loose on trigger hand and squeeze off the shot with pressure between your thumb and trigger finger.

Trust this as a non BS helping suggestion ...

Scott S

[Dennis22]

Too heavy a cheek weld and holding the grip too tightly will always send shots sideways from a good zero point.
DON'T plant your face on the comb !!  Exert shoulder pressure off the Fore end holding hand & keep grip loose on trigger hand and squeeze off the shot with pressure between your thumb and trigger finger.

Trust this as a non BS helping suggestion ...

Scott S

Thank you
That should be a stickie or its own thread

Dennis

[Dennis22]

I am resurecting this,

The saga continues but getting much closer.  This girl has been a real scope buster, I went through 4 UTG scopes, and each shot loose after a couple tins,  accuracy would start good and then go all over the place. I would get some nice sub 1/2 inch groups at 30 yds and then the next shots would be a couple inches away. 

velocity was in the upper 700 fps with about 20 fps extreme spread.

I finally got a Hawk airmax 4-16x30  50 mm

I also discovered that with the scope optically centered my POA  was way off from POI.  After a lot of barrel bending tweaking I finally got it to with in 5 clicks in both windage and elevation at 30 yards.

still not consistent, so I started over and installed a new seal,  getting information on the correct fit was a challenge and as this is the only air gun I have shot I have no reference as to what a smooth shot scycle shoud be,  I have no vibration and no twang. I hope this one stays consistant

I was still getting some windage drift  good groups and then off

Lighting strike in my effort to get a consistent solid hold I was letting the butt hit the bench I moved myself away from the bench, I can see my pulse but the fliers are gone, at least for today

After the new seal I have done three tests through the crono and they look good, I think.  taken on different days and 1000 pellets between the test 1 and 3

the first test averaged 791 fps and and extreme spread of 13 fps

test 2 averaged 785 with a 7 fps extreme spread

test 3 today averaged 796 fps with a 10fps extreme spread of 10 fps  802 fps high and 792 low

I shot the 20 target 30 yard match this morning and for the first time I had no flyers out side the 9 ring previously  I was getting a 7 every 4 or 5 shots

All shooting has been with the JSB Diablo 8.44

There has been a tremendous amount of help here and I want to thank all that have chimed in

hopefully it has settled down and I can continue to learn to shoot.

Dennis

[lizzie]

I am resurecting this,

The saga continues but getting much closer.  This girl has been a real scope buster, I went through 4 UTG scopes, and each shot loose after a couple tins,  accuracy would start good and then go all over the place. I would get some nice sub 1/2 inch groups at 30 yds and then the next shots would be a couple inches away. 

velocity was in the upper 700 fps with about 20 fps extreme spread.

I finally got a Hawk airmax 4-16x30  50 mm

I also discovered that with the scope optically centered my POA  was way off from POI.  After a lot of barrel bending tweaking I finally got it to with in 5 clicks in both windage and elevation at 30 yards.

still not consistent, so I started over and installed a new seal,  getting information on the correct fit was a challenge and as this is the only air gun I have shot I have no reference as to what a smooth shot scycle shoud be,  I have no vibration and no twang. I hope this one stays consistant

I was still getting some windage drift  good groups and then off

Lighting strike in my effort to get a consistent solid hold I was letting the butt hit the bench I moved myself away from the bench, I can see my pulse but the fliers are gone, at least for today

After the new seal I have done three tests through the crono and they look good, I think.  taken on different days and 1000 pellets between the test 1 and 3

the first test averaged 791 fps and and extreme spread of 13 fps

test 2 averaged 785 with a 7 fps extreme spread

test 3 today averaged 796 fps with a 10fps extreme spread of 10 fps  802 fps high and 792 low

I shot the 20 target 30 yard match this morning and for the first time I had no flyers out side the 9 ring previously  I was getting a 7 every 4 or 5 shots

All shooting has been with the JSB Diablo 8.44

There has been a tremendous amount of help here and I want to thank all that have chimed in

hopefully it has settled down and I can continue to learn to shoot.

Dennis

To me, this REALLY seems odd!
I have a couple of vintage FWB124's, and have not (so far) had any scope issues with either. I also haven't had problems with them coming loose or migrating.

[Oldgringo]

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

[DanD]

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

I think accuracy and nostalgia are the superior points of the 124.
I've shot tighter groups with my 124 than my HWs, but I prefer the feel of HWs and they are still accurate enough to make me smile.

[Oldgringo]

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

I think accuracy and nostalgia are the superior points of the 124.
I've shot tighter groups with my 124 than my HWs, but I prefer the feel of HWs and they are still accurate enough to make me smile.

Thank you.  Ah, nostalgia indeed.  I wish I still had my 1960 Austin Healy 3000. It was a zoom, zoom nooky getter back in our day. *sigh*

[lizzie]

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

I think accuracy and nostalgia are the superior points of the 124.
I've shot tighter groups with my 124 than my HWs, but I prefer the feel of HWs and they are still accurate enough to make me smile.

Thank you.  Ah, nostalgia indeed.  I wish I still had my 1960 Austin Healy 3000. It was a zoom, zoom nooky getter back in our day. *sigh*

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

It's just one of those things you know when you do it. Ask UglyMike....I took one of mine to the shoot last year and he shot it. Now Mike is one of those guys with impeccable taste in air rifles, and when he shot that 124, you could see the look of fun and amusement on his face immediately. There is just *something* about them in the springer world.

[Buldawg76]

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

I think accuracy and nostalgia are the superior points of the 124.
I've shot tighter groups with my 124 than my HWs, but I prefer the feel of HWs and they are still accurate enough to make me smile.

Thank you.  Ah, nostalgia indeed.  I wish I still had my 1960 Austin Healy 3000. It was a zoom, zoom nooky getter back in our day. *sigh*

I think you mean a Austin Healey 100-6 in 1960/61. The 3000 badging was made from 62 to the final model in 67. I had a 1960 100-6 that was a cool and fast sports car. It would chirp the tires at 5000 rpm when engaging overdrive with the switch on the dash in 4th gear at 100 MPH.

Sorry about the thread hijack, just a die hard gearhead.

Sounds as though you got that 124 shooting super now.

BD

[Beeman22]

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

I think accuracy and nostalgia are the superior points of the 124.
I've shot tighter groups with my 124 than my HWs, but I prefer the feel of HWs and they are still accurate enough to make me smile.

Thank you.  Ah, nostalgia indeed.  I wish I still had my 1960 Austin Healy 3000. It was a zoom, zoom nooky getter back in our day. *sigh*

What makes the FWB 124 so superior/more desirable to today's HW offerings?  Color me stupid if you must.

It's just one of those things you know when you do it. Ask UglyMike....I took one of mine to the shoot last year and he shot it. Now Mike is one of those guys with impeccable taste in air rifles, and when he shot that 124, you could see the look of fun and amusement on his face immediately. There is just *something* about them in the springer world.

Well said, Lizzie! 
Speaking for myself, I'm not old enough to have any nostalgia for the FWB 124, and I certainly like my Weihrauchs, but there is something about the 124 that is just "right."  At least it is for me - to each their own!

[Oldgringo]

Nope, Buldawg76.  My 1960 Austin Healy was the first 3000 sold in Nashville.  I bought it from its original owner in 1962.

Check it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin-Healey_3000

[Dennis22]

I purchased the 124 new in 1979 because at the time it was the most powerful and most accurate air gun you could get. getting it back to its potential has been a challenging journey and gives great satisfaction each step forward, along with some frustration when the shooter or the gun don't do their job.  especially when the shooter is the tuner and not sure who to blame

I also purchased the Norton in my avatar new in 1971 and restored her about 5 years ago,  a great riding bike,  again at the time the best handling street bike you could get

Neither are even close to what you can get across the shelf today, but I am old enough to appreciate the nostalgia and the value of keeping these old ladies going. 

I ride the Norton and shoot the 124 and get joy out of both.

Dennis

[Buldawg76]

Nope, Buldawg76.  My 1960 Austin Healy was the first 3000 sold in Nashville.  I bought it from its original owner in 1962.

Check it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin-Healey_3000

I stand corrected Greg, Mine must have been an early 60s model before the change from 100-6 to 3000. Learn something new everyday. Still have the hood emblem from mine.

BD

[HectorMedina]

I got a new one recently, at a ridiculous price, and an old one a few months ago.
Was thinking about writing a side by side, but the truth is that, OoB, the new one is a sad specimen of an airgun. So, that will have to wait till I have time to get a grip on what would be the best way to tune them.

I do have to say that the older one shoots nicely. Not particularly fond of either of the two stocks I have for it, but it shoots nicely.

Springers are somewhat peculiar beasts, but that is what makes them interesting (apart from the fact that they CAN be accurate, LOL).

;-)



HM

[Buldawg76]

I purchased the 124 new in 1979 because at the time it was the most powerful and most accurate air gun you could get. getting it back to its potential has been a challenging journey and gives great satisfaction each step forward, along with some frustration when the shooter or the gun don't do their job.  especially when the shooter is the tuner and not sure who to blame

I also purchased the Norton in my avatar new in 1971 and restored her about 5 years ago,  a great riding bike,  again at the time the best handling street bike you could get

Neither are even close to what you can get across the shelf today, but I am old enough to appreciate the nostalgia and the value of keeping these old ladies going. 

I ride the Norton and shoot the 124 and get joy out of both.

Dennis

Dennis
I am with you 100% on keeping the old ladies going as well. I do differ in the mindset that at least as far as bikes go there are very few new models that appeal to me when compared to my 77 KZ1000 or 76 shovelhead that I have restored and hot rodded to my personal tastes.

I also prefer the older airguns as well for the most part but there are some new one out with very appealing features for very reasonable costs.

I guess being a retired auto/cycle tech with 50 years of tools in my garage allows me the ability to revive most anything I put my mind to and bring it back from the grave so to speak. My 124 is one of my favorite springers to shoot and is for sure more accurate than me on any given day.

I am just stuck in the 70s frame of mind when it comes to my toys. The world today is just to complex for my simple tastes and lifestyle.

BD

[Yogi]

I got a new one recently, at a ridiculous price, and an old one a few months ago.
Was thinking about writing a side by side, but the truth is that, OoB, the new one is a sad specimen of an airgun. So, that will have to wait till I have time to get a grip on what would be the best way to tune them.

I do have to say that the older one shoots nicely. Not particularly fond of either of the two stocks I have for it, but it shoots nicely.

Springers are somewhat peculiar beasts, but that is what makes them interesting (apart from the fact that they CAN be accurate, LOL).

;-)
HM

HM,
Ed, aka Duckfish bought a new 124 last year.  He was NOT impressed, then he send it out to a tuner, contact Ed for that, tuner spent lots of time "playing with it".  Now it shoots the way it is supposed to.  It now has the performance and dream shot cycle to go with its very handsome appearance.

-Y

[Dennis22]

Dennis
I am with you 100% on keeping the old ladies going as well. I do differ in the mindset that at least as far as bikes go there are very few new models that appeal to me when compared to my 77 KZ1000 or 76 shovelhead that I have restored and hot rodded to my personal tastes.

I also prefer the older airguns as well for the most part but there are some new one out with very appealing features for very reasonable costs.

I guess being a retired auto/cycle tech with 50 years of tools in my garage allows me the ability to revive most anything I put my mind to and bring it back from the grave so to speak. My 124 is one of my favorite springers to shoot and is for sure more accurate than me on any given day.

I am just stuck in the 70s frame of mind when it comes to my toys. The world today is just to complex for my simple tastes and lifestyle.

BD
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Oh I don't think we differ in that I too really like my old Norton, but neither your KZ1000 , shovel head or my Norton will keep up with the new bikes,  but I still think the old ones have a class that makes them very desirable for what they are.

Not many flolks say a work when a new 1200 Yamaha pulls up to the light but I always have a conversation when I  ride the Commando,, bet you do too when your ride the shovel Head.

Dennis