Prod $230.62

[Techie]

Yep, my PROD arrived today and immediately made me realize I want 2 or 3 more magazines. 

I'm impressed with the PROD.  Better built than I expected.  Crosman even includes a 5-shot test target shot at 10 yards, which shows a 1/4" group. 

I just realized this PROD kind of makes my .22 caliber PP700S-A pistol redundant, so I just now decided I'll put that in the classifieds soon.

[Techie]

Who has the best price on Prod .22 mags?  I can't find it on Amazon.  They all say Mrod "rifle".


Right now Crosman has the best price.

Crosman wants $15.84 for shipping to me for 3 magazines, and code AGNATION did not work on this.  Pyramyd charges $7.99 shipping.  With a 10% off coupon,  this makes Pyramyd $6.40 cheaper for me.   The Pyramyd VELOCITY-19 coupon is only valid on $100 or more now.  They wised up this time, since we were placing $25 orders with the $25 off coupon.

[mobilehomer]

Who has the best price on Prod .22 mags?  I can't find it on Amazon.  They all say Mrod "rifle".


Right now Crosman has the best price.

Crosman wants $15.84 for shipping to me for 3 magazines, and code AGNATION did not work on this.  Pyramyd charges $7.99 shipping.  With a 10% off coupon,  this makes Pyramyd $6.40 cheaper for me.   The Pyramyd VELOCITY-19 coupon is only valid on $100 or more now.  They wised up this time, since we were placing $25 orders with the $25 off coupon.

You could make up a parts order and try to add a couple magazines. RC2208.  $4.00 shipping.

[Techie]

How do you make up a parts order?  All I can see is by calling customer service.

[only1harry]

Guys, check your Bullseye Bucks at P/A! 
I had forgotten all about them for a while and when I checked last night I had >2,000 so I got $20 off my 2 Prod Magazine order.  It came out to a $8.35/mag after using 1 of the many 10% OFF codes (I used the GATEWAY-PYRAMYD).

PRODUCT & SERVICES $31.90
eGift card -$20
COUPON DISCOUNT -$3.19  (10% code)
SHIPPING (xxxx-zip code) $7.99
TOTAL (USD) $16.70

NO need to get 3 mags. It increases the shipping cost.  You get 2 to 3 mags per fill anyway depending on the power setting. So if you order 2, plus the 1 the gun came with you have a total of 3 mags.  Unless your Prod gets 30+ shots (which I don't know of any that do), you only need 3 mags at the most.

Harry

[only1harry]

BTW, got mine a couple of days ago and no complaints so far.  My first impressions:

The Prod is a little more quiet than I had expected so that's a good thing!  The gun came fully functional and I like that it's lightweight.  BIG difference from all the big (heavy) rifles I 've been shooting all these years, except for the Disco which is relatively light.  I am sure once I mount a scope it will still feel light or just right around 5lbs.  I am using it with the rifle stock so the scope will probably make it feel more balanced or more like a rifle, because without a scope it feels too light for a rifle setup.

15-shot string over the Chrono averaged 620fps with 14.3gr and standard deviation was very very small.  Almost like it has a reglator.  The gun is obviously set at low power (I am hoping) from the factory, so I will have to tinker with the power/spring adjustment screws to bring it up to 650-660fps where I prefer it.  Starlings can be quick to react...  Wish they shipped them setup with mid-power but that's fine.  Not really complaining.

The only 2 things that bugged me a little were that it came with MANY finger prints all over the gun - on the breech, the air tube and the shroud   It was like 2-3 people handled the gun.  The guy that supposedly test shot it never wiped it down or at least didn't do a good job. 

The 2nd thing is that the matte finish on the air tube is full of tiny little scratches that are easy to spot   My guess is during assembly they kept rubbing the shroud on it or it was just not finished well.  Did anyone else notice that on their Prod?
BTW, the matte finish on the shroud is much better and looks good.  It's just the finish on the tube.

Harry

[ranchibi]

BTW, got mine a couple of days ago and no complaints so far.  My first impressions:

The Prod is a little more quiet than I had expected so that's a good thing!  The gun came fully functional and I like that it's lightweight.  BIG difference from all the big (heavy) rifles I 've been shooting all these years, except for the Disco which is relatively light.  I am sure once I mount a scope it will still feel light or just right around 5lbs.  I am using it with the rifle stock so the scope will probably make it feel more balanced or more like a rifle, because without a scope it feels too light for a rifle setup.

15-shot string over the Chrono averaged 620fps with 14.3gr and standard deviation was very very small.  Almost like it has a reglator.  The gun is obviously set at low power (I am hoping) from the factory, so I will have to tinker with the power/spring adjustment screws to bring it up to 650-660fps where I prefer it.  Starlings can be quick to react...  Wish they shipped them setup with mid-power but that's fine.  Not really complaining.

The only 2 things that bugged me a little were that it came with MANY finger prints all over the gun - on the breech, the air tube and the shroud   It was like 2-3 people handled the gun.  The guy that supposedly test shot it never wiped it down or at least didn't do a good job. 

The 2nd thing is that the matte finish on the air tube is full of tiny little scratches that are easy to spot   My guess is during assembly they kept rubbing the shroud on it or it was just not finished well.  Did anyone else notice that on their Prod?
BTW, the matte finish on the shroud is much better and looks good.  It's just the finish on the tube.

Harry

Harry, congratulations! I’m so glad to hear how quiet it is as mine will be the dedicated ratter if it shoots accurately. Mine is traversing the whole US to get to me and is supposed to arrive Monday! I hope mines barrel likes JSB RS as for some reason I have many tins of these for...oh yea,...it was for the RWS 48 that I ended up trading! LOL! Fingers crossed that it likes these. Also, ordered a cheap Sniper 1-5x24 30mm FFP IR scope off of fleabay for cheap...hope it works well too..LOL! Enjoy shooting it and keep me up to date on what pellets it likes and tuning etc.! 🤓

[only1harry]

Wow you got an FFP scope!  Good luck with it Randall.  I still don't have one of those after all these years

Yes, at low power right now the Prod is at least as quiet and probably more than my Mrod .25 which has a 6" shroud extension and I consider to be VERY quiet.  I am pretty sure the report will go up as I increase the power but it should still be very neighborhood friendly.  FYI - if you dry fire it (without a pellet) it will naturally be a lot louder, so wait until you shoot a pellet before you judge it

The .22 pellets I have on hand and going to test it with (hopefully when I scope it tomorrow):
14.3 CPHP (tin)
14.3 CP brown box
14.3 JSB Express
13.43 JSB RS
14.5 RWS Superdome
14.66 H&N FTT

I have heavier ones like JSB 15.89/18.1, H&N Baracuda, etc. but they will be too slow in the Prod, so I am sticking with 13.x-14.x weight.  This will be mostly a Starling gun so I need faster moving pellets because they get very nervous & skittish on my property especially after I have shot a couple, so my goal is to tune it for at least mid-600's so that the yellow beaks don't have a chance to twitch or move if they hear the report (I think they will) from 22 yards where the bait site will go up soon now that there is snow on the ground and they are desperate for food.

Anyway, the only gun I have that likes the JSB RS is the Hammerli 850 .22, but I am kind of hoping the Prod also likes the inexpensive CPHP's being that it's a Crosman gun and should like Crosman pellets.  Only issue with those Crosman tins is that sometimes you get a good one and other times a bad one.  They are not very consistent.  The trick is to shoot some as soon as you get a tin from Walmart.  If they shoot well run back to get more, and hopefully they are from the same lot.  My WM usually has them from $5.69 to $6.59 (500 tin) depending on the day and the SG's manager's mood

Bet you can't wait till Monday   Try not to think about it...  Yeah right! 

Harry

[ranchibi]

Wow you got an FFP scope!  Good luck with it Randall.  I still don't have one of those after all these years

Yes, at low power right now the Prod is at least as quiet and probably more than my Mrod .25 which has a 6" shroud extension and I consider to be VERY quiet.  I am pretty sure the report will go up as I increase the power but it should still be very neighborhood friendly.  FYI - if you dry fire it (without a pellet) it will naturally be a lot louder, so wait until you shoot a pellet before you judge it

The .22 pellets I have on hand and going to test it with (hopefully when I scope it tomorrow):
14.3 CPHP (tin)
14.3 CP brown box
14.3 JSB Express
13.43 JSB RS
14.5 RWS Superdome
14.66 H&N FTT

I have heavier ones like JSB 15.89/18.1, H&N Baracuda, etc. but they will be too slow in the Prod, so I am sticking with 13.x-14.x weight.  This will be mostly a Starling gun so I need faster moving pellets because they get very nervous & skittish on my property especially after I have shot a couple, so my goal is to tune it for at least mid-600's so that the yellow beaks don't have a chance to twitch or move if they hear the report (I think they will) from 22 yards where the bait site will go up soon now that there is snow on the ground and they are desperate for food.

Anyway, the only gun I have that likes the JSB RS is the Hammerli 850 .22, but I am kind of hoping the Prod also likes the inexpensive CPHP's being that it's a Crosman gun and should like Crosman pellets.  Only issue with those Crosman tins is that sometimes you get a good one and other times a bad one.  They are not very consistent.  The trick is to shoot some as soon as you get a tin from Walmart.  If they shoot well run back to get more, and hopefully they are from the same lot.  My WM usually has them from $5.69 to $6.59 (500 tin) depending on the day and the SG's manager's mood

Bet you can't wait till Monday   Try not to think about it...  Yeah right! 

Harry

Harry, all my scopes are now FFP because I got one then realized there was no way I could go back to SFP! Being able to change magnification without a change in POI is the shizzle! LOL! There are many inexpensive FFP scopes now all from China but most are really good. The one I got for the prod from eBay, the seller had a make an offer, they were asking 120, I put in 110 and immediately it said accepted! I should have offered 100! It’s a 30mm tube but very compact and light with IR...I’ll give a review on it after I get it. You definitely need to try an FFP scope...you’ll never look back! Please let me know which pellet yours likes and hopefully the JSB RS! 🤓 Also heard they really like the H&N Power (copper) and Sniper Light....I have the Sniper but not the Power...h’mmm...oh, and David, Rocker1 makes a full carbon fiber shroud with baffles that quiets it down more for under 100 I believe. Like you, I want mine shooting 13-14gr pellets @ 650ish and saw some threads that said at that speed we’ll get 3 mags with very small deviation in speed. Was thinking of adding a reg but as you said it comes shooting with low deviation. Hot diggity I can’t wait! It’s only two cities away now as of yesterday eve! Finger tapping...whistling...panicking..LOL 😉

[mobilehomer]

How do you make up a parts order?  All I can see is by calling customer service.

Go to the Crosman site and look at the EVP for your gun. Write the part numbers down. Call CS and tell them you have a parts order. They may or may not let you order the magazine. But this is still the best place to get OEM parts.

[FuzzyGrub]

FWIW: The air tube finish on mine looks to be OK.  Same as what I've seen on multiple other Prods.  It is a slightly different shade than the shroud.  I suspect that is driven by the two different material, steel vs aluminum.

I would be interested in what build dates people are receiving.  Mine is Nov 2019, ie a recent build.

Serial number is on the front, right-hand side of air tube.  First digit is month (1-9, O, N, D), followed by two digits for the year. 

[PlacidBlueDog]

My prod is 1 hole accurate with the h&n baraccuda hunters and the ft powers. I'm ordering a ton more barracuda hunters for it but not from amazon. Check out this tin I got from them the other day.

[Techie]

Harry, the finish on the one I got yesterday is fine.  Trigger is very nice.  I also noticed it's quieter than say, my PP700 at the same power.  Mine is shooting right around 650-660 fps right out of the box with the same pellets you tested with (CP HP 14.3 gr.)  I was amazed at the consistency, almost like it was regulated, just like you stated.  In fact here is my first 10-shot string when filled to 2800 psi on the gauge:
 1 - 650
 2 - 651
 3 - 657
 4 - 654
 5 - 664
 6 - 663
 7 - 660
 8 - 661
 9 - 662
10 - 662
This is exactly where I want it, so won't touch a thing.  When I put 3000 psi in it (rather than 2800), the string started lower: 1 - 632,  2 - 638, 3 - 641, so I figure 2800 is a good pressure to fill it to.
With the carbine stock and a small 4x scope and medium rings, it still only weighs 4.5 pounds.   The cheek rest on the plastic stock is about 2 inches too low.  I put a piece of black foam pipe insulation on it and it's still an inch low.  I'm going to make my own simple and thin walnut stock for it.   Shouldn't be too hard, using two 3/4" walnut boards that I'll inlet to the grip frame before gluing together.  I'll cut out the center of the stock to reduce weight.  Now that I learned about power mini belt sanders (https://www.harborfreight.com/53-Amp-12-in-Heavy-Duty-Bandfile-Belt-Sander-62863.html), shaping the stock will be easier.

[ranchibi]

Harry, the finish on the one I got yesterday is fine.  Trigger is very nice.  I also noticed it's quieter than say, my PP700 at the same power.  Mine is shooting right around 650-660 fps right out of the box with the same pellets you tested with (CP HP 14.3 gr.)  I was amazed at the consistency, almost like it was regulated, just like you stated.  In fact here is my first 10-shot string when filled to 2800 psi on the gauge:
 1 - 650
 2 - 651
 3 - 657
 4 - 654
 5 - 664
 6 - 663
 7 - 660
 8 - 661
 9 - 662
10 - 662
This is exactly where I want it, so won't touch a thing.  When I put 3000 psi in it (rather than 2800), the string started lower: 1 - 632,  2 - 638, 3 - 641, so I figure 2800 is a good pressure to fill it to.
With the carbine stock and a small 4x scope and medium rings, it still only weighs 4.5 pounds.   The cheek rest on the plastic stock is about 2 inches too low.  I put a piece of black foam pipe insulation on it and it's still an inch low.  I'm going to make my own simple and thin walnut stock for it.   Shouldn't be too hard, using two 3/4" walnut boards that I'll inlet to the grip frame before gluing together.  I'll cut out the center of the stock to reduce weight.  Now that I learned about power mini belt sanders (https://www.harborfreight.com/53-Amp-12-in-Heavy-Duty-Bandfile-Belt-Sander-62863.html), shaping the stock will be easier.

FYI if anyone is interested, I ordered these foam cheek risers from Amazon and will mount them with Velcro straps. They come with 3 different height foams.

[james828]

Got my Prod today, I was amazed, this little pistol can shoot very accurate, mounts a 6x32 Walther scope with AO and Mil dots, the short scope fit very well to the Prod , i want something that i can put on my back pack , i am very satisfied with this set up . My Prod shooting CPHP 14.3 @ 630 fps that produces 12.27 fpe at the muzzle, at 20 yards 8 shots group is smaller than a dime , the pistol shoulder very well with my eyes level, the light weight makes my shooting very fun , there’s no finger prints or oil on the barrel or anywhere, looks like a virgin ! I am very happy with this purchase, should get this Prod long long time ago .

Thanks the original poster again .

[ranchibi]

Got my Prod today, I was amazed, this little pistol can shoot very accurate, mounts a 6x32 Walther scope with AO and Mil dots, the short scope fit very well to the Prod , i want something that i can put on my back pack , i am very satisfied with this set up . My Prod shooting CPHP 14.3 @ 630 fps that produces 12.27 fpe at the muzzle, at 20 yards 8 shots group is smaller than a dime , the pistol shoulder very well with my eyes level, the light weight makes my shooting very fun , there’s no finger prints or oil on the barrel or anywhere, looks like a virgin ! I am very happy with this purchase, should get this Prod long long time ago .

Thanks the original poster again .

Jimmy, congratulations! Enjoy your new prod!

[UCChris]

Got my Prod today, I was amazed, this little pistol can shoot very accurate, mounts a 6x32 Walther scope with AO and Mil dots, the short scope fit very well to the Prod , i want something that i can put on my back pack , i am very satisfied with this set up . My Prod shooting CPHP 14.3 @ 630 fps that produces 12.27 fpe at the muzzle, at 20 yards 8 shots group is smaller than a dime , the pistol shoulder very well with my eyes level, the light weight makes my shooting very fun , there’s no finger prints or oil on the barrel or anywhere, looks like a virgin ! I am very happy with this purchase, should get this Prod long long time ago .

Thanks the original poster again .

Jimmy, congratulations! Enjoy your new prod!

Mine comes tomorrow like yours. I'm so excited

[ranchibi]

Got my Prod today, I was amazed, this little pistol can shoot very accurate, mounts a 6x32 Walther scope with AO and Mil dots, the short scope fit very well to the Prod , i want something that i can put on my back pack , i am very satisfied with this set up . My Prod shooting CPHP 14.3 @ 630 fps that produces 12.27 fpe at the muzzle, at 20 yards 8 shots group is smaller than a dime , the pistol shoulder very well with my eyes level, the light weight makes my shooting very fun , there’s no finger prints or oil on the barrel or anywhere, looks like a virgin ! I am very happy with this purchase, should get this Prod long long time ago .

Thanks the original poster again .

Jimmy, congratulations! Enjoy your new prod!

Mine comes tomorrow like yours. I'm so excited

Chris, bet yours arrives before mine! LOL! Hope both come EARLY! UPS usually close to 2pm for me. Pics when they show up!

[james828]

Got my Prod today, I was amazed, this little pistol can shoot very accurate, mounts a 6x32 Walther scope with AO and Mil dots, the short scope fit very well to the Prod , i want something that i can put on my back pack , i am very satisfied with this set up . My Prod shooting CPHP 14.3 @ 630 fps that produces 12.27 fpe at the muzzle, at 20 yards 8 shots group is smaller than a dime , the pistol shoulder very well with my eyes level, the light weight makes my shooting very fun , there’s no finger prints or oil on the barrel or anywhere, looks like a virgin ! I am very happy with this purchase, should get this Prod long long time ago .

Thanks the original poster again .

Jimmy, congratulations! Enjoy your new prod!

Thanks Randall, I really like this little guy, first victim of the Prod is a gecko from 18 yards away, decimated the body in half !

[only1harry]

That's awesome Mike!!!  That's exactly where I want mine to be.  You want to swap Prod's?    I am hoping to be tinkering with the power settings later today.  If not tomorrow.

The lower velocity #'s you are seeing starting with 3k psi is due to a little valve lock which can be fixed with increasing the spring travel, but I wouldn't touch a thing on your Prod!!  I would just start with 2800psi fills.

Harry

Harry, the finish on the one I got yesterday is fine.  Trigger is very nice.  I also noticed it's quieter than say, my PP700 at the same power.  Mine is shooting right around 650-660 fps right out of the box with the same pellets you tested with (CP HP 14.3 gr.)  I was amazed at the consistency, almost like it was regulated, just like you stated.  In fact here is my first 10-shot string when filled to 2800 psi on the gauge:
 1 - 650
 2 - 651
 3 - 657
 4 - 654
 5 - 664
 6 - 663
 7 - 660
 8 - 661
 9 - 662
10 - 662
This is exactly where I want it, so won't touch a thing.  When I put 3000 psi in it (rather than 2800), the string started lower: 1 - 632,  2 - 638, 3 - 641, so I figure 2800 is a good pressure to fill it to.
With the carbine stock and a small 4x scope and medium rings, it still only weighs 4.5 pounds.   The cheek rest on the plastic stock is about 2 inches too low.  I put a piece of black foam pipe insulation on it and it's still an inch low.  I'm going to make my own simple and thin walnut stock for it.   Shouldn't be too hard, using two 3/4" walnut boards that I'll inlet to the grip frame before gluing together.  I'll cut out the center of the stock to reduce weight.  Now that I learned about power mini belt sanders (https://www.harborfreight.com/53-Amp-12-in-Heavy-Duty-Bandfile-Belt-Sander-62863.html), shaping the stock will be easier.