AF Condor Remake

[kkarmical]

I have only recently acquired my first Condor.... It seems to me that the chassis tube is strong like truck, since it is all machined from a single extrusion.... I suppose the port for the power wheel might allow a small amount of sideways flex, because the scope rail ends at the front of it.... but all of the vertical height is intact (so the strength/stiffness should be too).... I have heard about Condor "flex", and how the guns can be improved by a rigid stock, but my thought is that would be sideways, if anything.... I'm probably wrong in my assessment.... 

Bob

I thought the flex was an overblown issue before I got my Condor.  I believe it is real now.  The issue is you need to stabilize the tank somehow.  You can change the poi even at close range by changing your cheek pressure.  The Mad Dog stock didn't change that until I secured the tank to it.

I wonder if the mircolite bullpup configuration, by placing the tank back 5" handles the flex, as I'm not experiencing it in my talonp even at 72fpe.
Its essentially stretching the frame, maybe acting as a damper somehow.

[WHITEFANG]

Good point? I first thought the floating bottle  was good and did develop. The resonance  after the stock and TT spring.
The grip wrap on the rear bottle did dampen the sound.
The bottle does move by hand and I guess with a heavy cheek weld would change the poi.
My set up IMO much more solid than a MD but I have ni MD TO compare. You?may have a good point in the bottle and when the resonance. Developed  I thought about a slight bumper to not only dampen but stable the bottle.
My set up with different butt pad being adj and positioned higher IMO gives a better eye to scope vs the factory butt and has a lighter cheek weld by design.
My set up could use a cheek rest similar to the Texan and still not touch bottle at all.
Again I have no?MD to compare.  All just a project and many out there know more about the AF guns than me. 💀
Everyone gets different results and all?have opinions .

[WHITEFANG]

After an inspection of the bottle  topic?
My bottle. Being free floating  there is easy movement with slight pressure.
Being the bottle attachment is at the weak point I think some attention  my be needed.
I feel no flex really at the attachment but there has to be disadvantage with this.

Frame is bedded at the rear up to the Wokguard. Also using the grip attachment for the rear stock attachment. The front of the Wokguard is bedded with the bedding channeled to the front if the stock.

I see no advantage  now with the bottle. Floating. This is a valid  point that has been brought up. IMO Now for a fix.

Should be an easy fix but I have looked the issue over. My only concerns  are now with the bottle  stable  is not putting the bottle attachment in a bind.
I guess once secure ant my stock  in place the frame will flex at the attachment point of frame to bottle.  But once secured with little Pressure the poi should not move?
Interesting point‼ Now I am wondering if when the hammer sets the valve off with the double recoil, if the floating bottle is not another disadvantage on sensitive  of the gun at a point?

This may be just an over thought? ☠
I'll be looking into this more today .
Thanks for the share.💀

[c_m_shooter]

the easiest way I know is to mount the factory butt plate to the butt of your stock.  That is what I have done so far.  Day to day poi is much more consistent now.  I am going to work up a range card and take it to a few field target matches and see how my percentage score compares to normal.

[WHITEFANG]

Im way past the factory butt plate at this point. In my case I want no butt shot reaction on the tank. I want all action on the stock .
It will not take much to stable the bottle.
2 points to work, bottle neck at he frame
And the rear of the bottle in my case.
Shame that I could have worked the neck area when bedding. 💀

[WHITEFANG]

Yesterday I looked the issue mentioned in the free floating bottle movement?
Indeed mine has much easy movement.

My frame is rock solid now but as pushed lightly the bottle move and that movement does change your eye alignment To the scope. I saw little to no rear attachment frame movement.

I removed my stock and checked my bedding for fit again using play doh. The bedding is contacting the full bedded. On my bedding of this SKS stock. I bedded making a channel to rid the chance of any side play.
Addressing the bottle side play and an up and down I went after this.

Now first off im hoping someone will chime in more on the bottle needing to free float or not? I never really paid attention to this in the factory configuration.
Note that AF Has had this design  and used the bottle for the butt pads attachment so it is hard for me to really say yes or no on eliminating the movement?

But I have addressed mine for good or bad. 2 rubber like bumper blocks were made to fit the upper and lower  v area at the bottle attachment area for up and down help.  With the stock removed I made 2 saddles out of pvc. Flattened. The lower for attachment to my stock . Epoxied and fastened the saddles to the stock locked them close to the front and rear for holding the bottle. I left room for bedding of the bottle to pad the saddles.

This ended up a real task getting the padding to not allow side play. Several removing the stock to get no movement changing the thickness  of the bedding?
The saddles could have been made taller to saddle The bottle?

In the end I used double sided tape on top of the bedding to rid the side play. A redo might be coming after testing the poi and affect of the ridding. Bottle movement.

I'm enjoying the experiment  on this build  but really not sure if I am fixing an issue or creating one.

The stock conversion I am sure that it has helped more than stiffness. 💀

[c_m_shooter]

If you look at the bench rest stock that Mad Dog sells for the AirForce guns, he asks to specify if you want the bottle secured or not.  Obviously more than 1 person thinks it is an issue.

[WHITEFANG]

Confronting to know‼ Odd all the findings on the AF guns.
Makes me feel better.
Seems if this was an issue the Texan would be one gun that would have more issues than any.
Well mine has many changes and the bottle is not moving.
Im thinking NOW about loosing the bottle grub to let the bottle if binding to relax and then set the grub?💀
Thanks for the insurance  info‼👍🏻