MOAV 2020 944 Foot Pound Airforce Texan 457 cal

[jkingsouthafrica]

[PCPhack]

No point in this now with the new Airforce TX2 with carbon fiber bottle upgrade, especially at that high price. The game is up. You must lower prices and show production quality that is as good or better than Airforce, which I have not seen. Please show the machining quality and a teardown. Convince us why we would choose your product over the AF offering.

[Gippeto]

No point in this now with the new Airforce TX2 with carbon fiber bottle upgrade, especially at that high price. The game is up. You must lower prices and show production quality that is as good or better than Airforce, which I have not seen. Please show the machining quality and a teardown. Convince us why we would choose your product over the AF offering.

 

I don't think so Tim....

Al

[PCPhack]

No point in this now with the new Airforce TX2 with carbon fiber bottle upgrade, especially at that high price. The game is up. You must lower prices and show production quality that is as good or better than Airforce, which I have not seen. Please show the machining quality and a teardown. Convince us why we would choose your product over the AF offering.

 

I don't think so Tim....

Al

Is this a reference to something? Sorry, I don't get it.

[Gippeto]

Is this a reference to something? Sorry, I don't get it.

Clearly.

So let's put it into terms you might understand...

Telling someone who doesn't even work for you that they must work for less is utter BALOGNA. If you think his price is too high...exercise your freedom of choice and buy from the other guy...or try to negotiate in private. That's how a free market works...demand drives the price not your opinion. Why should he provide the other stuff (show machining and teardown)? Do other manufacturers provide this? Try and get that from Crosman/Air Arms/Steyr etc....

You're demanding information to which you've no reasonable right, and more so doing it in a demeaning manor.

Personally, in his shoes I would have just told you where to go...

Al

[jkingsouthafrica]

No point in this now with the new Airforce TX2 with carbon fiber bottle upgrade, especially at that high price. The game is up. You must lower prices and show production quality that is as good or better than Airforce, which I have not seen. Please show the machining quality and a teardown. Convince us why we would choose your product over the AF offering.

well  considering the new AF TX2 Valve and carbon bottle cost $400    and you only get 750 FT/LBS   for $85 more you  are getting  944 FT/LBS   not to mention on shot 5 with a 525 gn Bullet with MOAV 202 you are still way north of 800 FT/Lb  With the    TX2   carbon   I wonder what the shot string looks like notice hardly anyone is putting out 5 shot string numbers     and there is a reason for that because they not so good  over 60 fps per shot drop in velocity between shots as the pressure drops off   

[jkingsouthafrica]

Is this a reference to something? Sorry, I don't get it.

Clearly.

So let's put it into terms you might understand...

Telling someone who doesn't even work for you that they must work for less is utter BALOGNA. If you think his price is too high...exercise your freedom of choice and buy from the other guy...or try to negotiate in private. That's how a free market works...demand drives the price not your opinion. Why should he provide the other stuff (show machining and teardown)? Do other manufacturers provide this? Try and get that from Crosman/Air Arms/Steyr etc....

You're demanding information to which you've no reasonable right, and more so doing it in a demeaning manor.

Personally, in his shoes I would have just told you where to go...

Al

Thank you but its quite common here on GTA  there are a few really great folks like yourself but a lot of guys here will rip apart anything  you try that is new   Funny how many of the negative folks have never ever actually created anything new in the Airgun World but will be the first to jump in 
But folks like that  motivate me every day  and AAO has a whole bunch of new products we are bringing out this year   MOAV 2020 been just one      T Rex 2020  for Gamo TC and Evanix Rex   and the New Power Upgrade Kits for the Sam Yang /Seneca Big Bores are all in production and on there way

[PCPhack]

Is this a reference to something? Sorry, I don't get it.

Clearly.

So let's put it into terms you might understand...

Telling someone who doesn't even work for you that they must work for less is utter BALOGNA. If you think his price is too high...exercise your freedom of choice and buy from the other guy...or try to negotiate in private. That's how a free market works...demand drives the price not your opinion. Why should he provide the other stuff (show machining and teardown)? Do other manufacturers provide this? Try and get that from Crosman/Air Arms/Steyr etc....

You're demanding information to which you've no reasonable right, and more so doing it in a demeaning manor.

Personally, in his shoes I would have just told you where to go...

Al

Hahahaha. You have me in stitches here. I can speak my opinion. Deal with it. What I do not like are outright lies about a valve and what it can do, and at a premium price at that. I have the proof, but then people will get all upset if I start posting "private" emails. It has been stated that it will get 8, yes 8 FULL POWER SHOTS. That is an outright lie, no matter how you slice it. I know better, but unfortunately there are those out there that will believe that nonsense. I am sure it can get 1 shot at a high value, or 2 of equal value, but 8??? That's just dishonest. I'm done here. Enjoy yourselves.

[PCPhack]

Funny how you just resort to name calling. It really speaks volumes about your character.

As well I know all about both of the Texan valves. It is not rocket science, and for the record, I did not buy an TX2 valve, but rather it came already on a rifle I purchased. Anyone can source a CF bottle for 100 dollars to go on it and I do not believe your valve is worth the difference. It is a huge price, for a relatively simple valve. You may have one that flows more than a TX2, but I do not believe it is worth so much, I question the quality and safety of your product, and you have already told a lie about how many shots it can get.

[PCPhack]

Also worth noting is that you obviously know nothing about me, since you think I have added nothing. I have only been around a few years, and yet have one of the longest threads here documenting Bulldog upgrades. Over the course of that time and through writing about improvement needs, seen at least 2 upgrades to that platform that did not exist before from some very good vendors (and was among the first to then test those upgrades). I have over a dozen aftermarket valves from OTHER more reputable suppliers for a few platforms, so I certainly give back financially where it is DESERVED. It doesn't matter to me if you know it, but as this thread is likely to be locked, I think it is important for any newcomers to recognize the truth. I do not wish you any ill will, but your claims were not true and on top of that you charge top dollar. This forum has given newcomers a lot, and I think they deserve that truth.

[jkingsouthafrica]

Also worth noting is that you obviously know nothing about me, since you think I have added nothing. I have only been around a few years, and yet have one of the longest threads here documenting Bulldog upgrades. Over the course of that time and through writing about improvement needs, seen at least 2 upgrades to that platform that did not exist before from some very good vendors (and was among the first to then test those upgrades). I have over a dozen aftermarket valves from OTHER more reputable suppliers for a few platforms, so I certainly give back financially where it is DESERVED. It doesn't matter to me if you know it, but as this thread is likely to be locked, I think it is important for any newcomers to recognize the truth. I do not wish you any ill will, but your claims were not true and on top of that you charge top dollar. This forum has given newcomers a lot, and I think they deserve that truth.

To my point you yourself have created nothing  and as to full power shots no one has ever claimed 8 shots of the same power  but  8 shots powerful enough o kill  FYI   shot count is based on bullet weight with this valve heavier bullets use more Air    after 5 shots with a 525bn slug   2700 psi left in the bottle   5th shot at over 800+ foot pounds   3 remaining shots would all exceed 400 FT/LBs  or in other words full power shots by almost all big bore industry standards FYI  if we were to shoot 143 gn round ball shot count would be around 15 shots 

[PCPhack]

You obviously have a problem reading. I have bankrolled plenty of NEW things being created, and because I have the means. In fact, specifying product requirements is what I do professionally as well. What I wrote stands, you have made misleading claims. Don't try to backpedal now and say, "oh those are full power because they still kill." Cop out.

[jkingsouthafrica]

You obviously have a problem reading. I have bankrolled plenty of NEW things being created, and because I have the means. In fact, specifying product requirements is what I do professionally as well. What I wrote stands, you have made misleading claims. Don't try to backpedal now and say, "oh those are full power because they still kill." Cop out.

    I will say this Funny how you say how great the So called TX 2 Valve is so great  but  Its the exact same valve as the Original Airforce Texan Valve  all Airforce Did was to remove the Valve Return Spring and Valve Return Spring retainer plug all you got was the same valve  with some parts missing       You may bank roll things but what have you yourself created     Where are your ideas  to improve our sport   no instead you use other folks ideas because you cant come up with your own 

[jkingsouthafrica]

You obviously have a problem reading. I have bankrolled plenty of NEW things being created, and because I have the means. In fact, specifying product requirements is what I do professionally as well. What I wrote stands, you have made misleading claims. Don't try to backpedal now and say, "oh those are full power because they still kill." Cop out.

so lets talk about shot count      lets look at  180 gn        I count more than 12 full power shots  all over 800 FPS

[rintafile]

[jkingsouthafrica]

Sexy Grandma     

[rintafile]

Picture tells usually more than 1000 words....

[PCPhack]

Lol. As said, you must have a reading problem, or have not read around much. Good luck with your valve. I wonder if you will release yet a 4th iteration next year for the next round.

[PCPhack]

Picture tells usually more than 1000 words....

Yes, this! Also videos properly showing things claimed, or at least then clarifying what was really meant to the point that people don't need to call out misleading statements.

[lloyd-ss]

For personal reasons, I haven't participated on the  forum for quite while now. I enjoyed the airgun R&D, working together with people, developing and improving and manufacturing aftermarket parts. And sharing with the community. Covering all that ground plus making meaningful videos and posts, takes a lot of time; more than most people realize. The cottage industry of aftermarket airgun parts doesn't really make much of a profit  for those that can stick with it and gather a decent following.  Good reputations are difficult to build but so easy to damage, whether deserved or not. Once the damage is done, it is too late.
I often think about coming back to the forum and actively participating again. But then I read something and get discouraged. I'd rather work in my shop and enjoy my grandkids. My machines and grandkids seldom present me with ill motivated challenges.

David (PCPhack), I know a lot of great people on this forum, but I know neither you nor Jeremy, nor the history behind the disagreement. And from the ongoing discussion(?) don't really care to know the history. Please remember that this is not a first amendment soap box, but rather a private forum which we have the privilege to participate in, and in return, we must, at the very least obey its rules.

Here is rule 13 of this forum:

13- Personal attacks on individual airgunners, dealers, tuners or other airgun forums are strictly forbidden. If you have issues with them, then they should be addressed one on one.  Do not create a “war zone” on your forum. Take your issues up directly with them and do not launder them here on the GTA forums.

Thank you for reading this.
Lloyd